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Archive => Backyard NHL => Archive => Backyard NHL: Archives => Topic started by: Drew on March 15, 2015, 12:26:09 PM
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Place anything here that you wish to discuss, add, or remove from the rules.
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Two things to discuss
1 - Stipulations on trades. Kind of like future considerations but like if I was to trade Tony a 2nd round pick for Brown and we added the stipulation that if I reach the cup final that 2nd becomes a 1st round pick. The problem I see is that it ties but multiple picks in a trade but could be very interesting and get you watching other teams more closely.
2 - Bring up the discussion again of RFAs as where we left it off, it had good traction.
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=142692.msg725710#msg725710
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Two things to discuss
1 - Stipulations on trades. Kind of like future considerations but like if I was to trade Tony a 2nd round pick for Brown and we added the stipulation that if I reach the cup final that 2nd becomes a 1st round pick. The problem I see is that it ties but multiple picks in a trade but could be very interesting and get you watching other teams more closely.
2 - Bring up the discussion again of RFAs as where we left it off, it had good traction.
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=142692.msg725710#msg725710
1 - Until we can reliably update the roster list on a timed basis on profsl, I think this is a bad idea. And I don't mean a monthly update; I mean at least a twice a week update. For example, there are trades from the trade deadline that have yet to be updated. They should have been updated and moved on by now. I have seen various trades in this league get reworked because a team forgot they traded specific picks. (and yes, I do blame the gm as well cause that person should be keeping track of their team in a separate file on their computer.)
This would be something else that needs to be tracked, and if we cannot reliably update the roster list with regularity, then it will eventually become confusing when trying to send a trade proposal to another team.
And yes, I understand we all have a personal life outside of fantasy sports - I am not looking to put people down. I am just expressing a concern that this might complicate things
2 - I think my previous idea in regards to compensation for UFAs can be applied here. If we extend the amount of time a team can resign and resolve issues in 14-15, then it should work.
If we do RFAs/UFAs, then we need to define them. I think the easiest way to do it is by two way contracts. If the player is on a two way, then he is an RFA. If he is not on a two way, then he is a UFA.
3 - I still think it is a good idea to do extension discounts to two way players. This will make it easier for teams to keep their youth. And it should be smaller then what a division winner gets - something like 3%.
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I'll dig into some of the other ideas later but for now I'll say that as much as I like the idea of conditional picks I think the reality of them would be overly difficult to manage. Generally, keeping it simple is best.
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1 - Until we can reliably update the roster list on a timed basis on profsl, I think this is a bad idea. And I don't mean a monthly update; I mean at least a twice a week update. For example, there are trades from the trade deadline that have yet to be updated. They should have been updated and moved on by now. I have seen various trades in this league get reworked because a team forgot they traded specific picks. (and yes, I do blame the gm as well cause that person should be keeping track of their team in a separate file on their computer.)
This would be something else that needs to be tracked, and if we cannot reliably update the roster list with regularity, then it will eventually become confusing when trying to send a trade proposal to another team.
And yes, I understand we all have a personal life outside of fantasy sports - I am not looking to put people down. I am just expressing a concern that this might complicate things
That is mostly my fault for leaving them as if I did them weekly, it would be a lot easier for me. I will next season commit to a weekly update day. It is my first year full time teaching and a brand new baby so I didn't have the time in comparison to procrastinating from school work :disco:.
For tracking purposes, it would be very simple to track. Picks that are included in stipulations or conditions would be changed to red on your roster and a thread would be started to state the conditions that apply for each team. All I would have to do is update at end of season the same I do now with the draft picks.
2 - I think my previous idea in regards to compensation for UFAs can be applied here. If we extend the amount of time a team can resign and resolve issues in 14-15, then it should work.
If we do RFAs/UFAs, then we need to define them. I think the easiest way to do it is by two way contracts. If the player is on a two way, then he is an RFA. If he is not on a two way, then he is a UFA.
For RFAs/UFAs they would definitely be defined but I think that RFAs would be players that have been drafted into Backyard instead of all two ways, since I don't think a signed player in free agency should classify for the RFA. This would be another case of colour coding, make them blue or whatever colour is subtle.
I still like the idea of matching in free agency though too, instead of the straight compensation for losing a player.
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one rule id like to see is if a team that gets first pick over all but reason for it is not setting up line ups that they should get some sort of penalty for not setting up line ups in order to tank season to get first over all.
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one rule id like to see is if a team that gets first pick over all but reason for it is not setting up line ups that they should get some sort of penalty for not setting up line ups in order to tank season to get first over all.
One rule I would like to see is that GM's respond to all trade offers....oh wait, we already have that. :rool:
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Here's a tweak I would like to see. Along with fixing our header to reflect the changes in the Divisions I would like to see the Rules Handbook link fixed. I would also adopt a good feature from a couple of other leagues. Namely providing a hotlink to a couple of the two most often used pages: Transactions and Deadlines. Personally I could live without linking to the Official Team Pages (don't we all just click on the team icons?).
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Here's a tweak I would like to see. Along with fixing our header to reflect the changes in the Divisions I would like to see the Rules Handbook link fixed. I would also adopt a good feature from a couple of other leagues. Namely providing a hotlink to a couple of the two most often used pages: Transactions and Deadlines. Personally I could live without linking to the Official Team Pages (don't we all just click on the team icons?).
I will definitely try to get this fixed but it is a programing issue that we haven't had our header fix. The admin say this is simply due to how old Backyard is as it is still on the old system and isn't transferring well.
I'll see what I can do though.
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I think we should discuss the +/- stat. It was the difference in this years Stanley Cup Final. Tony was +4 I believe and Slack was -16. Made the difference in the long run.
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I think we should discuss the +/- stat. It was the difference in this years Stanley Cup Final. Tony was +4 I believe and Slack was -16. Made the difference in the long run.
Hahaha....I'd say the difference was Steve Mason! But yeah, +/- is probably the worst stat in fantasy hockey.
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:iatp:
I agree we should eliminate this as well.
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I'm fine with no +/-, pretty useless stat when a guy like Ovie scores 50+ and is a -30 lol
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I've always thought that the way we draw our draft lottery is a little cumbersome and recently I came across a fairly elegant alternative. In a nutshell, if the teams at the bottom of our fantasy standings correspond with teams at the bottom of the NHL then we can use the NHL's actual lottery draw to determine our own draft order.
It would be exciting for everyone to be able to watch the actual NHL lottery draw and know immediately who is picking 1st over-all!
The methodology for the list I compiled is simple and straight forward. The team ranked last in BY is assigned the odds for the last two teams in the NHL. Continue down the list in the same manner.The odds are very similar for 17th through 12th, with increased odds for the last place finish and none for 11th and up.
Consider our current odds and compare against the hybrid list I have posted below.
BY LOTTERY ODDS
RANK CHANCE
18th 26.00%
17th 20.00%
16th 15.00%
15th 11.00%
14th 8.00%
13th 6.00%
12th 5.00%
11th 4.00%
10th 3.00%
9th 2.00%
8th through 1st 0%
NHL LOTTERY ODDS
RANK CHANCE
30th 20.00% Buffalo
29th 13.50% Arizona
28th 11.50% Edmonton
27th 9.50% Toronto
26th 8.50% Carolina
25th 7.50% New Jersey
24th 6.50% Philadelphia
23rd 6.00% Columbus
22nd 5.00% San Jose
21st 3.50% Colorado
20th 3.00% Florida
19th 2.50% Dallas
18th 2.00% Los Angeles
17th 1.00% Boston
16th through 1st 0%
HYBRID LOTTERY ODDS
RANK CHANCE
18th 33.50% (30th & 29th so for 2015 - Buffalo & Arizona)
17th 21.00% (28th & 27th - Edmonton & Toronto)
16th 16.00% (26th & 25th - Carolina & New Jersey etc.)
15th 12.50% (24th & 23rd)
14th 8.50% (22nd & 21st)
13th 5.50% (20th & 19th)
12th 3.00% (18th & 17th)
11th through 1st 0%
So this year Montreal finished in 17th place and would have had both Edmonton and Toronto's odds combined....and would have won 1st pick.
As televised.
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HYBRID LOTTERY ODDS
RANK CHANCE
18th 33.50% (30th & 29th so for 2015 - Buffalo & Arizona)
17th 21.00% (28th & 27th - Edmonton & Toronto)
16th 16.00% (26th & 25th - Carolina & New Jersey etc.)
15th 12.50% (24th & 23rd)
14th 8.50% (22nd & 21st)
13th 5.50% (20th & 19th)
12th 3.00% (18th & 17th)
11th through 1st 0%
So this year Montreal finished in 17th place and would have had both Edmonton and Toronto's odds combined....and would have won 1st pick.
As televised.
I don't mind this except for a couple things
1) 11th to 9th get no chance. They didn't make our playoffs and get like the real NHL should have a chance at winning the lottery.
2) There is only one thing in this league that is NHL dependent and therefore fixed as of an announcement which is the cap. This is great for us as it keeps the cap numbers in the right spots and gives teams more realistic cap hits for players. Other things that kind of depend on NHL are player caps (half required) and team names but other than that I can't name what else in the league follows so closely to a tee. I don't want the NHL to control us haha.
3) Probably too high of odds for the last place finisher which would promote tanking.
Positives:
1) I like the excitement maybe that is something we could try and add? Like have everyone logged into a server or something like that to watch me randomize the number. Then we can have discussion and such afterwards about draft, possible trades and get that real GM atmosphere going.
2) The odds. Our odds are put the way they are because we have less teams, maybe this is something we have to look at.
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I don't mind this except for a couple things
1) 11th to 9th get no chance. They didn't make our playoffs and get like the real NHL should have a chance at winning the lottery.
2) There is only one thing in this league that is NHL dependent and therefore fixed as of an announcement which is the cap. This is great for us as it keeps the cap numbers in the right spots and gives teams more realistic cap hits for players. Other things that kind of depend on NHL are player caps (half required) and team names but other than that I can't name what else in the league follows so closely to a tee. I don't want the NHL to control us haha.
3) Probably too high of odds for the last place finisher which would promote tanking.
Positives:
1) I like the excitement maybe that is something we could try and add? Like have everyone logged into a server or something like that to watch me randomize the number. Then we can have discussion and such afterwards about draft, possible trades and get that real GM atmosphere going.
2) The odds. Our odds are put the way they are because we have less teams, maybe this is something we have to look at.
Whether the bottom ranked team has a 26% chance or a 33% chance to get the first over-all pick doesn't really matter. As long as they have a better chance than everyone else without it being guaranteed. Of course if we don't want to follow the NHL too closely we can do whatever we want, including scrapping the draft altogether. I only say this to illustrate that if we really want to get rid of tanking we can make that choice any time.
I think the draft is fun though and personally don't have a problem with tanking. As I have said before, the league is better off with a GM that actively steers towards a top pick rather than someone who is not steering at all.
As far as addressing the odds for teams 11th through 9th. Realistically they are negligible and for the sake of simplicity could be dropped without regard. But if the only objections to this approach are in the weighting then just juggle the assigned lotto-slots to suit. If you consider the list below you will see that it is almost exactly the same as Back Yard's and that it is easily changed to accommodate more teams or different odds however you want.
RANK CHANCE
18th (30th & 23rd) 26%
17th (29th & 24th) 20%
16th (28th & 21st) 15%
15th (27th & 19th) 12%
14th (26th) 8.5%
13th (25th) 7.5%
12th (22nd) 5%
11th (20th) 3%
10th (18th) 2%
9th (17th) 1%
So that settles issues #1 & #3.
Regarding #2 about dependency on the NHL, well in this case I prefer it. If the choice is between a random number generator in a chat room or TSN, then why not go with the sports channel? What better way to generate excitement than by pinning our draw to the NHL's hype machine. Of course we'd all be online for chat at the same time anyway! :rofl: