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Archive => Backyard NHL: Transactions => Backyard NHL => Archive => Backyard NHL: Invalid Transactions => Topic started by: Drew on November 06, 2014, 10:14:41 PM
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:EDM: trades:
Jeff Skinner, $3.6m (2015-16)
Petri Kontiola, N/C (9 games)
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:LAK: trades
Daniel Sedin, $7.0m (2017-18)
1st Round Pick (EDM)
Edmonton does this to get better right now. Skinner is off and to be honest I am impatient sometimes. I take on a pretty bad contract but I have the cap space. Due to the difference in age and cap, I needed to have something more back and that's where my first comes back. I also send a prospect who was suppose to have an NHL job this summer but lost. All in all I am sad to see Skinner go who has been with me for years! Be kind to him Gilly. :toast:
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I accept...Skinner long term will be better for my team than Daniel..younger, cheaper and perfect for my plan!
I keep all my sweet nectar first rounders for whatever I decide to do with them, so losing this one is no biggie but great for Drewy since he lost his Skinner
Thanks big guy we finally got a deal done!!
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I'm not big on Kontiola and when Skinner isn't concussed he's on a very bad team. Daniel's contract looks ugly but he's producing at 2PPG. Moving Sedin makes sense for LA but I hate that he had to pay a 1st rounder to do it. The return is no sure thing.
The 1st jumps out at me but I'll let Gilly gamble.
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:veto:
I can see the 1st being necessary if the other player LA is receiving is worth anything, but I don't see Kontiola being valuable. So in my mind, it looks like Sedin and 1st for Skinner and 4.4m in cap. A player producing 2ppg is definitely worth taking 4.4m in cap for. Honstly, I feel that Skinner for Sedin with their current contracts is a fair deal; Gilly still takes a gamble on a young player with a ton of potential but a rich concussion history while Drew gets his stud to help keep him in the front of the pack. But to send a 1st to Drew as well seems waaaaaaay too lopsided for my taste.
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:veto:
I can see the 1st being necessary if the other player LA is receiving is worth anything, but I don't see Kontiola being valuable. So in my mind, it looks like Sedin and 1st for Skinner and 4.4m in cap. A player producing 2ppg is definitely worth taking 4.4m in cap for. Honstly, I feel that Skinner for Sedin with their current contracts is a fair deal; Gilly still takes a gamble on a young player with a ton of potential but a rich concussion history while Drew gets his stud to help keep him in the front of the pack. But to send a 1st to Drew as well seems waaaaaaay too lopsided for my taste.
Maybe if Edmonton sent a pick back it would even it out a bit?
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Maybe if Edmonton sent a pick back it would even it out a bit?
Drew is still getting the best player in the deal, so even if Drew included his 2nd, I feel that he should not be receiving a first at all. Skinner and 4.4M in cap for Sedin seems more then fair in my eyes. Sedin is a proven stud with multiple seasons where he produces 2ppg, while Skinner is a very promising player with a concussion history.
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Drew is still getting the best player in the deal, so even if Drew included his 2nd, I feel that he should not be receiving a first at all. Skinner and 4.4M in cap for Sedin seems more then fair in my eyes. Sedin is a proven stud with multiple seasons where he produces 2ppg, while Skinner is a very promising player with a concussion history.
I see what your saying. My understanding is the pick is to off-set the age difference but also feel a 1st is too much. The Sedin contract is horrible IMO. If Edmonton sent a decent pick back I would approve it.
People just have a difference in opinion on value of picks.
I don't see it as that far off from an approval.
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I see what your saying. My understanding is the pick is to off-set the age difference but also feel a 1st is too much. The Sedin contract is horrible IMO. If Edmonton sent a decent pick back I would approve it.
People just have a difference in opinion on value of picks.
I don't see it as that far off from an approval.
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And I understand your point. But you asked me a question and I simply gave my point of view too.
If Drew were to include a 2nd in the deal along with the current package, the lopsided feeling this deal gives me would not be as overwhelming, but I am still of the opinion that Drew should not be receiving a first in a deal where he is receiving the best player.
Now if the player Drew is receiving is significantly worse then the player Gilly is getting back, I can understand the inclusion of the first. But with Drew's current position in the standings as opposed to Gilly's current position, 4.4M to upgrade a player seems like a fair price to pay.
If Drew really wants compensation for taking on 4.4M in cap, Gilly has a 5th round pick that I feel would be a slight overpayment, but the deal would definitely be passable.
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And I understand your point. But you asked me a question and I simply gave my point of view too.
If Drew were to include a 2nd in the deal along with the current package, the lopsided feeling this deal gives me would not be as overwhelming, but I am still of the opinion that Drew should not be receiving a first in a deal where he is receiving the best player.
Now if the player Drew is receiving is significantly worse then the player Gilly is getting back, I can understand the inclusion of the first. But with Drew's current position in the standings as opposed to Gilly's current position, 4.4M to upgrade a player seems like a fair price to pay.
If Drew really wants compensation for taking on 4.4M in cap, Gilly has a 5th round pick that I feel would be a slight overpayment, but the deal would definitely be passable.
Maybe we should have discussed this via PM? :doh: :rofl:
I value your opinion and was just trying to get a better understanding of your view. :thumbsup:
The reason we see it differently is because I think Skinner and Sedin are close as far as value goes. Almost equal IMO
Anyways... I do agree that this is a :veto: as well because the first pick tilts the deal to much in favor of the Oilers.
Thanks for the chat Walt :toast:
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Maybe we should have discussed this via PM? :doh: :rofl:
I value your opinion and was just trying to get a better understanding of your view. :thumbsup:
The reason we see it differently is because I think Skinner and Sedin are close as far as value goes. Almost equal IMO
Anyways... I do agree that this is a :veto: as well because the first pick tilts the deal to much in favor of the Oilers.
Thanks for the chat Walt :toast:
Always a pleasure Tony :toast:
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Maybe we should have discussed this via PM? :doh: :rofl:
I value your opinion and was just trying to get a better understanding of your view. :thumbsup:
The reason we see it differently is because I think Skinner and Sedin are close as far as value goes. Almost equal IMO
Anyways... I do agree that this is a :veto: as well because the first pick tilts the deal to much in favor of the Oilers.
Thanks for the chat Walt :toast:
Nah perfectly fine to have it here. The league gets to see the reasoning behind and dive deeper into the integrity of this league.
Good discussion guys, obviously I disagree due to age and cap being the major difference and the previous season performances by Skinner.
Waiting for other votes.
Approve - 1
Veto - 2
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Still to vote norrya66, Tyler, and hockeyfreak47
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To be honest I am consistently amazed at the deals Drew is able to coax out of people. It makes my own offers seem poor in comparison and it is with that in mind that I approved a deal I don't 100% care for. I am not changing my position but I too am glad to see the exchange between Walt and Tony. It's called integrity boys....this league has it!
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:veto:
For a lot of the same reasons as Walt stated. Skinner for Sedin would be fair to me. One side takes the risk, but gets a cheaper and young player.
If Drew threw in a 2nd, it would make it passable in my mind, but the 1st is just too much with Sedin.
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Sorry for the delay boys
I will say Veto on this one right now. Sedin is playing like Sedin of a few years ago with a new coach and offensive scheme, he and Skinner are quite comparable, with he 1st rounder I just see a bit too much heading to EDM.