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Title: Shohei Otani - P
Post by: chrisetc21 on August 17, 2014, 07:36:53 PM
Shohei Otani

http://www.baseball-reference.com/japan/player.cgi?id=otani-000sho

PC + $50k
Title: Re: Shohei Otani - P
Post by: chriscvc on August 17, 2014, 09:17:11 PM
Is he eligible to be bid on? he's not signed by any team.

if he is eligible
pc + $100k
Title: Re: Shohei Otani - P
Post by: chrisetc21 on August 18, 2014, 12:43:57 AM
PC + $250k
Title: Re: Shohei Otani - P
Post by: ThePetis on August 18, 2014, 09:48:29 AM
PC + $1M
Title: Re: Shohei Otani - P
Post by: chriscvc on August 18, 2014, 04:43:53 PM
pc + $1.5M
Title: Re: Shohei Otani - P
Post by: ThePetis on August 18, 2014, 05:04:09 PM
PC + $2.5M
Title: Re: Shohei Otani - P
Post by: chriscvc on August 18, 2014, 07:34:34 PM
pc + $3M

but seriously, is a commissioner around to make a decision on if he is eligible or not?
Title: Re: Shohei Otani - P
Post by: chrisetc21 on August 18, 2014, 08:13:42 PM
pc + $3M

but seriously, is a commissioner around to make a decision on if he is eligible or not?

He's eligible.  As long as the player is 16 years old, he can be signed.  If he's past the J2 eligibility then he's just a regular free agent.  There's no requirement that he be in an MLB organization.  We play big boy fantasy baseball.  ;)
Title: Re: Shohei Otani - P
Post by: ThePetis on August 19, 2014, 08:50:00 AM
He's eligible.  As long as the player is 16 years old, he can be signed.  If he's past the J2 eligibility then he's just a regular free agent.  There's no requirement that he be in an MLB organization.  We play big boy fantasy baseball.  ;)

For bidding purposes, would he be a J2 signing or just a regular free agent signing? 
Title: Re: Shohei Otani - P
Post by: chrisetc21 on August 19, 2014, 11:19:35 AM
For bidding purposes, would he be a J2 signing or just a regular free agent signing?

I would think regular since he's 19.  Maybe from now on we should put J2 in the thread titles for J2 free agents, clear up any confusion.
Title: Re: Shohei Otani - P
Post by: chriscvc on August 19, 2014, 08:22:57 PM
I would think regular since he's 19.  Maybe from now on we should put J2 in the thread titles for J2 free agents, clear up any confusion.

Jen-Ho Tseng is also 19 but he was a J2 signing, so what's the difference?
Based on this thread any player above 16 is allowed to be signed? can we sign HS in america or only Internationals? is this for only asian players in the official leagues? there's a lot of loopholes here.
Title: Re: Shohei Otani - P
Post by: chrisetc21 on August 19, 2014, 08:51:44 PM
Jen-Ho Tseng is also 19 but he was a J2 signing, so what's the difference?
Based on this thread any player above 16 is allowed to be signed? can we sign HS in america or only Internationals? is this for only asian players in the official leagues? there's a lot of loopholes here.

Not sure, I haven't managed the J2 signings.  Obviously some confusion going on between what players are MLB J2 eligible and what our rules may be.  It doesn't seem to be spelled out very well in the rules now that I look at it.  Probably something that needs to be discussed some. 

Any international player above 16 that is not subject to the MLB draft is allowed to be signed.  Players in the US are subject to the draft. 
Title: Re: Shohei Otani - P
Post by: Jss0062 on August 20, 2014, 09:28:11 PM
Technically speaking since he is a Japanese player he is under control of his Japanese team for 9 seasons.  This makes him unable to sign with any other team until he is posted which likely will not happen for another 5-6 years.  He is neither a regular free agent nor an international free agent which makes him ineligible to sign right now.
Title: Re: Shohei Otani - P
Post by: chrisetc21 on August 21, 2014, 11:36:58 PM
Kenta Maeda signed in our league.  Lots of Cuban players signed in here before MLB teams signed them.  Some are signed in here that are still not signed with mlb.

It was my understanding that anyone over 16 as of July 1st, 2013 (since the J2 money was combined for 2013 and 2014) that has not been signed yet is a regular free agent no matter what country they're from. 
Title: Re: Shohei Otani - P
Post by: Jss0062 on August 22, 2014, 07:03:02 PM
Maeda was signed when there were lots of reports of him being posted. I don't believe he should have been signed.  The Cubans are a different and complex group of players. As far as I know no Cuvans were signed without being eligible to sign with a MLB team.

Most importantly the goal of this league is to replicate MLB as closely as possible. Signing a player not eligible to sign with an MLB team for multiple years doesn't fit with that.

You, I and Sean can discuss it further as the executive committee and make him available if we decide otherwise.