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FGM GMs, we need your vote.
It hasn't been made clear in a previous vote if weekly lineups were truly supported. We have passed rulings on fixing eligibility constraints and regular season tie-breakers. The vote here is simple - vote Yes for Weekly Lineups or No to keep Daily Lineup changes. Please voice your opinion in this thread as well. This poll will run for seven days.
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I'd prefer weekly but the only thing that makes me hesitant about it is injuries. If I set my lineup on Monday and one of my offensive players gets hurt and misses games it puts me at a big disadvantage. There are pros and cons to both types of lineups.
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I'd prefer weekly but the only thing that makes me hesitant about it is injuries. If I set my lineup on Monday and one of my offensive players gets hurt and misses games it puts me at a big disadvantage. There are pros and cons to both types of lineups.
There will be an official injury/demotion replacement thread if we continue with weekly lineups. This allows the EC to override your lineup based on your request.
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I vote for Daily. Here is why:
- For members who want to set there lineups weekly you still can just set it days in advance
- Weekly lineups will make members less active. No not all members but some. No reason to sign in and check lineups
- Take away any strategy of playing guys like Thome or Adam Lind only against right handed starters
- Takes away the concept of depth. All you want is the best 5 sp's you can get. no need for back up catcher to play on off days. Just totally diminishes the depth concept.
- The league voted for no start limit (yes, i voted for one) but making weekly lineups completely abolishes the vote. Its pretty much a way around the league wide decision.
- As Paul pointed out teams rest there players at the end. Weekly lineups would not be good toward the end. For example just this past year, I sat Texiera in the playoffs 3 times becomes Girardi was resting him. Weekly lineups would give me no player for that period. Not good.
- It would completely change the way teams have strategized for there future. Example teams with much depth would now be handcuffed. They cant play there depth so in theory they wasted there money and should have just paid a stud more money.
- Time. It is much easier to get one once a day for 10 minutes and look at your matchups than it is to do it once a week and research all your matchups for the whole week for all your players. Plus, if im setting my lineup on sunday, I might not know who the opposing pitcher is the following sunday and play the wrong guy. It would take an hour out of sundays to do the necessary research.
These reasons are why I choose daily lineups.
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I chose daily. I got caught too many times last year not being able to change players from one qualified position to another. I realize that most of that was because of the defensive stats and that they have been eased/eliminated. But can't we keep defensive stats if we go to daily?
I think we have basically put a cap on the SP so that shouldn't be a problem.
Besides, I check in every morning anyway so...
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I simply prefer daily. That is my vote.
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daily
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Daily. Greater flexibility and control over your record.
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Voted weekly. Hard enough to compete against teams that double your salary, at least with weekly lineups I dont have to worry about facing 10 SPs.
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I vote daily and agree completely with what Corey said. I can live with weekly lineups if the majority prefers but would like the flexibility and participation that would result from daily lineups.
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I vote daily. It makes the league more active :thumbsup:
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Daily. Reasoning for it, is playing the match ups(Lind is a good example). What I don't agree with is streaming pitchers. We should be able to come up with some rule that everyone can agree on in regards to streaming SPs. For instance, Marcus Thames for the most part only plays against lefties, otherwise Brett Gradner plays left, and Granderson is in center. Against lefties Granderson sits, because he can't hit them to save his life. This is a managerial strategy. Pitching 7-10 sps a week, is yes a strategy, but not one that would be available to a major league manager. In fantasy it is just compiling stats, in a throwing crap up against a wall type of way. If the only way to curb this, is to go to weekly, then I reserve the right to change my vote to weekly. I don't see why we can't do a weekly inning limit. Most teams play 6 games a week. 6x9= 54. Our innings cap should be somewhere around there, IMO.
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With all due respect Corey, I think you're reaching to try and push towards daily and contradict yourself a number of times in this thread:
- For members who want to set there lineups weekly you still can just set it days in advance
The push for weekly lineups is to resolve the defensive and start limit issues that people were upset with last year, it is not meant to reduce an owners responsibility.
- Weekly lineups will make members less active. No not all members but some. No reason to sign in and check lineups
For starters, there is no lack of activity in this league during the season - it is one of the most active league's I've seen, and I don't think this change will detract from that (activity is due to trades and such here on the message boards, not necessarily fantrax activity). Also, as you note below, the total prep time may still be similar.
- Take away any strategy of playing guys like Thome or Adam Lind only against right handed starters
It also adds strategy as you note below, as you need to look at an entire week's worth of match-ups when you decide on your lineup rather than just one day, and having additional depth will give you more options.
- Takes away the concept of depth. All you want is the best 5 sp's you can get. no need for back up catcher to play on off days. Just totally diminishes the depth concept.
There are so many uncertainties in baseball that injuries and under-performances WILL happen, and depth WILL be required. Teams with depth will still have an advantage. Show me a team that has their 5 best starters stay healthy and productive all season and I'll show you an owner that should be in Vegas...
- The league voted for no start limit (yes, i voted for one) but making weekly lineups completely abolishes the vote. Its pretty much a way around the league wide decision.
The league voted against a hard cap on starts - this is different, and teams with many two-start pitchers will still be able to rack up the starts. Teams with depth at SP will have even more two-start pitchers to add to the lineup in place of a one-start guy.
- As Paul pointed out teams rest there players at the end. Weekly lineups would not be good toward the end. For example just this past year, I sat Texiera in the playoffs 3 times becomes Girardi was resting him. Weekly lineups would give me no player for that period. Not good.
So your would need to make a strategic decision at the start of the week whether or not to start him, and if your team had strong depth you might be able to get better total production out of someone else.
- It would completely change the way teams have strategized for there future. Example teams with much depth would now be handcuffed. They cant play there depth so in theory they wasted there money and should have just paid a stud more money.
I disagree - depth will still be important as I mentioned above. Also, I do not expect there are more than a few teams in this scenario, and if push came to shove the trade market is so liquid that they could adjust accordingly (although I think trading away all depth would be a mistake, maybe some will disagree).
- Time. It is much easier to get one once a day for 10 minutes and look at your matchups than it is to do it once a week and research all your matchups for the whole week for all your players. Plus, if im setting my lineup on sunday, I might not know who the opposing pitcher is the following sunday and play the wrong guy. It would take an hour out of sundays to do the necessary research.
This contradicts your point of reducing activity and strategy...
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I voted weekly because it eliminates the defensive eligibility concerns, eliminates the opportunity for SP streaming which is not realistic, and in my opinion does not detract from the strategy or need for depth.
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Daily. Reasoning for it, is playing the match ups(Lind is a good example). What I don't agree with is streaming pitchers. We should be able to come up with some rule that everyone can agree on in regards to streaming SPs. For instance, Marcus Thames for the most part only plays against lefties, otherwise Brett Gradner plays left, and Granderson is in center. Against lefties Granderson sits, because he can't hit them to save his life. This is a managerial strategy. Pitching 7-10 sps a week, is yes a strategy, but not one that would be available to a major league manager. In fantasy it is just compiling stats, in a throwing crap up against a wall type of way. If the only way to curb this, is to go to weekly, then I reserve the right to change my vote to weekly. I don't see why we can't do a weekly inning limit. Most teams play 6 games a week. 6x9= 54. Our innings cap should be somewhere around there, IMO.
I completely agree with your point on steaming, but the league did vote against a start cap - I imagine the outcome for an innings cap might be similar...
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Daily: More control, more realistic.
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With all due respect Corey, I think you're reaching to try and push towards daily and contradict yourself a number of times in this thread:
Note that while I say this, I'll admit I am trying to push weekly but this is because I think we need to fix the highlighted defensive and streaming issues and this is a simple, no cost solution (at least no cost in my opinion, but it seems many disagree...)
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Sorry, I must have slept through the pitching thing.
Didn't we agree that it took 10 starts to qualify as a SP? That would eliminate a lot of SP/RP. If a team wants to carry 10 SP's they do so at their own risk. In a 30 team league you would be very hard pressed to find 10 good ones. All it will do is take away roster spots for position players and we all know this is a hitters league.
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daily. it gives more accurate lineups(as far as players who are playing) and a higher scoring matchup.
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Note that while I say this, I'll admit I am trying to push weekly but this is because I think we need to fix the highlighted defensive and streaming issues and this is a simple, no cost solution (at least no cost in my opinion, but it seems many disagree...)
No Ben you are wrong with all due respect. Do I want a start limit?...yes....but weekly lineups is NOT the way to do it. They're way to many negatives with weekly lineups. The only positive is curving the starts. I have listed many negatives. No way am i contradicting myself. The negatives of the weekly lineups far far out way the positive. You are right about one thing, I am pushing for daily lineups...for all the reasons I stated in my first post.
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Sorry, I must have slept through the pitching thing.
Didn't we agree that it took 10 starts to qualify as a SP? That would eliminate a lot of SP/RP. If a team wants to carry 10 SP's they do so at their own risk. In a 30 team league you would be very hard pressed to find 10 good ones. All it will do is take away roster spots for position players and we all know this is a hitters league.
Rick the problem I think that we are all dealing with is streaming. If someone has 10 SPs, and in daily line ups, they can use them throughout the week. It is not often a pitcher registers negative points for a start , unless you are Scott Kazmir, where as you can shuffle through hitters and still get a bunch of 0-4s, and negative stats.
My vote is for daily, if and only if we fix the streaming problem. Anyone have any ideas on limiting streaming, and still having daily line ups?
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With all due respect Corey, I think you're reaching to try and push towards daily and contradict yourself a number of times in this thread:
The push for weekly lineups is to resolve the defensive and start limit issues that people were upset with last year, it is not meant to reduce an owners responsibility.
For starters, there is no lack of activity in this league during the season - it is one of the most active league's I've seen, and I don't think this change will detract from that (activity is due to trades and such here on the message boards, not necessarily fantrax activity). Also, as you note below, the total prep time may still be similar.
It also adds strategy as you note below, as you need to look at an entire week's worth of match-ups when you decide on your lineup rather than just one day, and having additional depth will give you more options.
There are so many uncertainties in baseball that injuries and under-performances WILL happen, and depth WILL be required. Teams with depth will still have an advantage. Show me a team that has their 5 best starters stay healthy and productive all season and I'll show you an owner that should be in Vegas...
The league voted against a hard cap on starts - this is different, and teams with many two-start pitchers will still be able to rack up the starts. Teams with depth at SP will have even more two-start pitchers to add to the lineup in place of a one-start guy.
So your would need to make a strategic decision at the start of the week whether or not to start him, and if your team had strong depth you might be able to get better total production out of someone else.
I disagree - depth will still be important as I mentioned above. Also, I do not expect there are more than a few teams in this scenario, and if push came to shove the trade market is so liquid that they could adjust accordingly (although I think trading away all depth would be a mistake, maybe some will disagree).
This contradicts your point of reducing activity and strategy...
Your opinion is completely different than mine. I have been in many weekly lineup leagues and everytime the league activity goes down. Some of the leagues were cash leagues and it still didnt help. As far as depth goes why build depth? Why not spend as much money as possible to get the best starters you can and play them weekly......that is the way to win weekly lineup leagues. I have had a lot of contact per pm with members in the league who completely agree with me...however I do find it funny that you tried to disprove every single reason and tried to turn all the negatives into positives. Like many times before, we have completely different views, it happens.
Either way its a good thing the daily lineups will continue. Its whats best for the league.
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Sorry, I must have slept through the pitching thing.
Didn't we agree that it took 10 starts to qualify as a SP? That would eliminate a lot of SP/RP. If a team wants to carry 10 SP's they do so at their own risk. In a 30 team league you would be very hard pressed to find 10 good ones. All it will do is take away roster spots for position players and we all know this is a hitters league.
He said with tongue planted firmly in cheek. I was referring to the 5 page argument earlier this fall when the cap on starts was shot down.
I voted for daily because of the many downfalls of having your lineup locked at the beginning of the week. I've been in leagues with weekly and just don't like them
We closed the SP/RP loophole by raising SP qualification to a minimum of 10. I agree with Dan, we need to go further in order to eliminate the streaming of SP. The way I see it we 3 choices:
1.) Limit SP roster spots to 5,6,,7...
2.) Cap numbers of starts per week. 8 was shot down, maybe bump it up to 10?
3.) Further enhance hitting stats in an effort to balance out exorbitant amount of SP
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I would be against enhancing the hitting stats as the stats already favor hitting based on the Bill Jamesian ratios.
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I would be against enhancing the hitting stats as the stats already favor hitting based on the Bill Jamesian ratios.
It's a shot in the dark, but does fantrax allowing setting hitters daily and pitchers weekly as two separate options?
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I would be against enhancing the hitting stats as the stats already favor hitting based on the Bill Jamesian ratios.
I wholeheartedly agree Colby but it is an option.
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It's a shot in the dark, but does fantrax allowing setting hitters daily and pitchers weekly as two separate options?
That would be an awesome option, but it is a shot in the dark that Fantrax does not support.
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What if we do weekly, and have moves to the line ups done by request? But honestly, I don't see what the problem with an innings cap is, since many leagues do have them. It is pretty standard in roto. Not so much in H2H, but hey we are already blazing new ground with this league, why not take it further.
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What if we do weekly, and have moves to the line ups done by request? But honestly, I don't see what the problem with an innings cap is, since many leagues do have them. It is pretty standard in roto. Not so much in H2H, but hey we are already blazing new ground with this league, why not take it further.
I believe we have only voted on a starts limit. A poll for a weekly innings limit might be a good idea, to see where everyone is at on it.
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What if we do weekly, and have moves to the line ups done by request? But honestly, I don't see what the problem with an innings cap is, since many leagues do have them. It is pretty standard in roto. Not so much in H2H, but hey we are already blazing new ground with this league, why not take it further.
My original idea in the eligibility thread was to have weekly lineups and lineup changes per request.
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I am in agreement with the Starts limit or weekly innings limit. I still want Daily lineups.
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My original idea in the eligibility thread was to have weekly lineups and lineup changes per request.
I could go along with that but who will handle the requests? There could conceivably be 20-30/day for the entire season. That's a lot of work and a lot of time. Doesn't sound very practical to me.
We're on the right track. We are dealing with two different aspect and it appears that one (daily lineup change) is all but solved. There has to be a happy medium for the pitching rotations. Want to see what Colby comes up with for Jake's idea. Could be the answer we're looking for
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We already voted on starts limits. Why not have an innings limit per week? 80 IP/week seems reasonable.
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Make the poll Colb. We can see how it goes
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We already voted on starts limits. Why not have an innings limit per week? 80 IP/week seems reasonable.
I'd like to hear the pros and cons but it's a good possibility. 80IP sounds a little high though (10SP x 8 inn.ea).
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I would recommend we only vote on whether to even have an innings limit before we decide how many innings. That can be decided with a later poll.
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San Francisco Giants vote for daily.
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I voted for Daily. More control over the team, in case of slumps, favorable matchups etc.