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Archive => Backyard NHL => Archive => Backyard NHL: Archives => Topic started by: Drew on January 10, 2014, 02:55:31 PM
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This is a suggestion from favo from the suggestion box. I think this is a good idea as we have had very competitive teams every year but there have been teams, due to the fact of having multiple goalies, that have been the cream of the crop!
Should we have another conversation on goalies?
After looking through all the rosters, you can definitely see a huge difference between the top of the league and the bottom of the league in regards to goalie ownership. I know I was a huge advocate in not going below 4 goalies, but maybe I was wrong. What if we went to 3 goalies per team next season? With a total of 60 goalie jobs in the NHL available per season, I think it is preposterous for our league to have more slots available then there are actual goalies in the NHL.
With our current set up, we have a total of 72 goalie slots available. That is 12 more slots then actual NHL jobs. If we cut it to 3 goalies per team, we would have a total of 54 goalie slots. That is 6 less slots then actual NHL jobs. We might even have more FA goalies available when a goalie gets injured!
I feel a move like this is needed in order to help create parity in the league. A move like this will not punish a team that has traded or drafted well, because that team can move one of their excess goalies for a pretty solid bounty. When a young goalie on your team has finally earned the starter position or has proven to be a solid back up, you can always move one of your other goalies to make room for him.
I really enjoy the competitive atmosphere in the league, but I find it can be a little disheartening when teams are saying right now "I don't see me winning this year, so I am going to start selling" and the trade deadline is more then a month away. And I feel that lowering the goalie limit to 3 will help with this.
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This isn't to say that this will stop teams from dominating; a team with three starters is always going to be the cream of the crop. I think people would feel better about their chances if we spread the love a little better. And dropping the goalie count to three will help that.
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:iatp: Well thought and well said....as long as we never drop below three!
Personally I am not concerned with the correlation between fantasy goalie slots and actual NHL jobs but I do agree with the rest of the rationale. The removal of 18 goalie slots may also help allow for future league expansion.
One question I have is what becomes of the 25th roster slot? Are we going to run with a 24 man roster or maybe designate that slot as wild? (In other words maybe have a generic 'skater' slot to be used for C, RW, LW, or D) I'm not advocating for this but it would certainly be part of the fall-out from a move to three goalies. Without much consideration I think I would favour a 24 man roster with rigid position slots as is.
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The removal of 18 goalie slots may also help allow for future league expansion.
One question I have is what becomes of the 25th roster slot? Are we going to run with a 24 man roster or maybe designate that slot as wild? (In other words maybe have a generic 'skater' slot to be used for C, RW, LW, or D) I'm not advocating for this but it would certainly be part of the fall-out from a move to three goalies. Without much consideration I think I would favour a 24 man roster with rigid position slots as is.
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I like the generic skater idea.
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I thought the league was already pretty liberal in regards to how many of what position you can have on a roster? I know my team has floated between have 8 to 10 defenseman and 12 to 15 forwards. I even see teams with only 6 defenseman.
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I thought the league was already pretty liberal in regards to how many of what position you can have on a roster? I know my team has floated between have 8 to 10 defenseman and 12 to 15 forwards. I even see teams with only 6 defenseman.
To be clear I was wondering about the Fantrax rosters.......would the 25th position just be dropped or would it be converted? Maybe it's a non-issue.....I'm tired. :rofl:
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To be clear I was wondering about the Fantrax rosters.......would the 25th position just be dropped or would it be converted? Maybe it's a non-issue.....I'm tired. :rofl:
I would assume it stays at 25 men, cause there are also teams that do not have 4 goalies but they do have a full 25 man roster.
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I would assume it stays at 25 men, cause there are also teams that do not have 4 goalies but they do have a full 25 man roster.
Yes we will stay at 25 men. I have run this whole season with only 2 goalies so you don't have to have 4.
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I think I like going to 3 goalies. Makes the depth in the free agent pool better, but at the same time doesn't hurt the elite goalies.
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Should we put a vote to it?
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One thing to discuss before then is what happens if you have a goalie on IR, can your goalie max increase to 4 goalies as if a starter goes down it isn't guaranteed that you will be able to get the backup that will replace your starter. Or do we keep it at 3 goalies max, no matter whether there is an injury or not?
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We should reword the rule to say active goalies. An ir player is not an active roster player, so a team should be aloud to sign assign a goalie to be an ir replacement if they want to.
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We should reword the rule to say active goalies. An ir player is not an active roster player, so a team should be aloud to sign assign a goalie to be an ir replacement if they want to.
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Also, this makes the rule change a little easier on GM's that have stocked up at the position.
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Another though is if you have two or more goalies from the same team then they count as one? Just something to think about.
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1 other suggestion is to limit goalie games for the week to 8 or something and also move to 1 goalie starting......I like having 2 starters personally but just throwing out there as food for thought
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1 other suggestion is to limit goalie games for the week to 8 or something and also move to 1 goalie starting......I like having 2 starters personally but just throwing out there as food for thought
I don't mind this but changes the fabric of the league too much to go from 2 to 1 active goalies. Teams have been built on the premise of the rules and this would be a major major change.
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We could just leave it the way it is. :toth:
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I don't mind this but changes the fabric of the league too much to go from 2 to 1 active goalies. Teams have been built on the premise of the rules and this would be a major major change.
I agree....just threw it out there as a thought. 2 goalies in an 18 team league is perfect. I like the idea of moving to 3 to get the league even more competitive!
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How about this for an alternate - teams can only have two number one goalies on their team at once. A number one goalie is indicated before the start of each season as a goalie that has played an average of 40 games per season for the last two seasons. We can keep a list of goalies and their average on the transaction page for reference. This still rewards teams that have traded and drafted well while at the same time, try to create some parity in the league.
It is not a simple solution; and honestly, I think the simplest thing we can do is lower the goalie limit to three. But it will not limit teams too much while at the same time, try to spread the wealth. This will have give good gms a year of two in the spotlight before they have to break up their stranglehold on the league.
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I think the simplest thing we can do is lower the goalie limit to three.
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Just going to 3 would be the easiest for sure, I am happy the way it is because i roll 4 goalies ATM and have worked deals to get ti that way, but I would be ok with 3. i don't like capping the number of games nor like going under 3 active Goalies, either.
I just don't want to change toooo uch to an already great league, but agree that parity is a good and positive thing!
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One more thing to discuss before we officially vote. Should there be a limit to the number of signed goalies in the minors?
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One more thing to discuss before we officially vote. Should there be a limit to the number of signed goalies in the minors?
no
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no
:iatp: Not on the rules committee but that gives a big disadvantage to teams rebuilding their goaltending which is huge in this league.
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no
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Just going to 3 would be the easiest for sure, I am happy the way it is because i roll 4 goalies ATM and have worked deals to get ti that way, but I would be ok with 3. i don't like capping the number of games nor like going under 3 active Goalies, either.
I just don't want to change toooo uch to an already great league, but agree that parity is a good and positive thing!
:iatp:
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Are we voting on this? If so I will vote No. :thumbsup:
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Are we voting on this? If so I will vote No. :thumbsup:
I'm actually leaning toward No now also. Are we voting soon though? This could effect some extensions.