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Title: Entry Level Contracts/Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agents
Post by: Drew on November 16, 2010, 01:48:44 AM
Is there something we can do about this because of all the players we currently have on our minor league teams without contracts at all. Like mandate the same rules as the NHL where if they play 10 games then they lose a year of eligibility. How is free agency going to work, how do we know if our player is going into RFA or UFA?
Title: Re: Entry Level Contracts/Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agents
Post by: joeshmoe on November 16, 2010, 10:54:56 AM
Is there something we can do about this because of all the players we currently have on our minor league teams without contracts at all. Like mandate the same rules as the NHL where if they play 10 games then they lose a year of eligibility. How is free agency going to work, how do we know if our player is going into RFA or UFA?

Players on the Minor league roster count for no salary against a team.  Once a player has reached a certain amount of games (I think it's 20, its in the rules) their actual contract begins determined by draft position.  Then there will be arbitration between seasons, which is also already in the rules.

RFA and UFA have yet to be discussed.  Does the NHL do RFAs? 
Title: Re: Entry Level Contracts/Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agents
Post by: teddy369 on November 16, 2010, 05:39:43 PM
Yes, NHL teams have RFAs. But I'm not sure how we can include that into our system.. we know exactly what a player will demand so there isn't really a hold-out situation where another team can sign your player. It's either you give him a contract or let him walk (not wait for somebody else to offer one and then match)
Title: Re: Entry Level Contracts/Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agents
Post by: joeshmoe on November 16, 2010, 05:41:24 PM
Yes, NHL teams have RFAs. But I'm not sure how we can include that into our system.. we know exactly what a player will demand so there isn't really a hold-out situation where another team can sign your player. It's either you give him a contract or let him walk (not wait for somebody else to offer one and then match)

We could set up an RFA tag system.  Whats the compensation in the nhl for losing an RFA?
Title: Re: Entry Level Contracts/Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agents
Post by: Drew on November 16, 2010, 06:26:22 PM
We could set up an RFA tag system.  Whats the compensation in the nhl for losing an RFA?

We could set it up the same way, say after August 1st the player becomes a free agent. If they are a RFA someone else can make an offer at them and the team who owns the RFA doesn't match they must be compensated by the signing team. Here is how the NHL does it:

$863,156 or less

None

$863,156 - $1,307,812

3rd round pick

$1,307,812 - $2,615,625

2nd round pick

$2,615,623 - $3,923,437

1st and 3rd round pick

$3,923,437 - $5,231,249

1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick

$5,231,249 - $6,539,062

Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick

$6,539,062 or more

Four 1st round picks

RFA:
Someone who would be under 25 and hasn't played a certian # of games (we would have to set a #)

Collective Bargaining Agreement:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26366 (http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26366)
Title: Re: Entry Level Contracts/Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agents
Post by: joeshmoe on November 16, 2010, 06:30:35 PM
I love the system to do it, we just need to agree on return value.  Because we're not 10 rounds deep that many picks could get crazy...
Title: Re: Entry Level Contracts/Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agents
Post by: Drew on November 16, 2010, 06:36:41 PM
I love the system to do it, we just need to agree on return value.  Because we're not 10 rounds deep that many picks could get crazy...

Those could always be fixed to fit our league that is just what they are using.
Title: Re: Entry Level Contracts/Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agents
Post by: joeshmoe on November 16, 2010, 06:51:10 PM
Those could always be fixed to fit our league that is just what they are using.

I agree.  Lets use three values RFA A>B>C. 
Title: Re: Entry Level Contracts/Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agents
Post by: Drew on November 16, 2010, 07:00:19 PM
I agree.  Lets use three values RFA A>B>C.

Anything under 500k/year requires no compensation
C = anything that would be a 2 year contract and under 2.4m = 2nd round compensation
B = anything from 2.5m to  5.4m = 1st round compensation
A = anything 5.5m to 8m = 1st and 2nd round compensation

Does that sound fair?
Title: Re: Entry Level Contracts/Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agents
Post by: joeshmoe on November 16, 2010, 07:04:36 PM
One tag per team?
Title: Re: Entry Level Contracts/Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agents
Post by: Drew on November 16, 2010, 07:13:11 PM
One tag per team?

RFA:
Someone who would be under 25 and hasn't played a certian # of games (we would have to set a #)
Title: Re: Entry Level Contracts/Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agents
Post by: joeshmoe on November 16, 2010, 07:25:50 PM
That'd be way too much work to allow all under 25 to be RFAs.  It has to be limited to a number of tags.  1 tag of any free agent to be is my proposal. 
Title: Re: Entry Level Contracts/Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agents
Post by: teddy369 on November 16, 2010, 07:29:00 PM
Maybe i'm missing something but.. how would this work.

You decline a guy's extension and then want a pick out of it? That would leave players that nobody wants to sign. It's not like the real NHL where players hold out for more money.. you know exactly what their worth. If you say no it should be your problem and he walks..
Title: Re: Entry Level Contracts/Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agents
Post by: joeshmoe on November 16, 2010, 07:35:31 PM
Maybe i'm missing something but.. how would this work.

You decline a guy's extension and then want a pick out of it? That would leave players that nobody wants to sign. It's not like the real NHL where players hold out for more money.. you know exactly what their worth. If you say no it should be your problem and he walks..

Touche, whats the point if we have extensions?
Title: Re: Entry Level Contracts/Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agents
Post by: Drew on November 16, 2010, 07:37:42 PM
I am saying a number of games as well like if we set it at 50 games then they are a UFA not a RFA if they have played more then 50 games and are under 25, this is basically to protect prospects not your best free agent. In the NHL i think it is something like 200 games so that once your 3 year entry level contract is up, your young stars can not be poached unless teams give you compensation. I would say 100 games be the limit so that our rookies from this year are protected to start.
Title: Re: Entry Level Contracts/Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agents
Post by: bravesfan4 on November 17, 2010, 04:12:57 PM
Have a system like this.....rough idea to improve on:

Player to be RFA'd must be under 25
Player must qualify for NHL spot meaning be out of the minors

Each team gets 1 RFA tag: we justify the RFA as the system replaces arbitration. You dont want to pay what he's worth, so by allowing other teams to bid on him maybe you can get him cheaper. On the flip side if a team wants him bad enough then they can get him.

A player cannot be RFA'd more than one season.

I like the idea of the ABC system for compensation.
Title: Re: Entry Level Contracts/Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agents
Post by: joeshmoe on November 17, 2010, 04:16:50 PM
There is no need for this as we know player value with extensions.  It would make sense if the salary structure was like Fran GM (MLB), where it's based on team performance.  But with flat salaries there is no weaker team to help out.  If you want the guy you know his value, use an extension. 

 :judge: