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Fantasy Leagues => Franchise GM: Transactions => Franchise GM => MLB Leagues => Franchise GM: Invalid Transactions => Topic started by: Colby on January 05, 2010, 05:04:11 PM
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M.J. posed this proposal in the Mariners EDR transfer...
Colby, When will EDR re-open? We had discussed that if you're able to acquire a team's draft pick that previously wasn't available in the free agent pool you could move him to EDR. Would it be possible to re-open EDR during free agency and keep it open, season-long? That would be my recommendation.
I am initially against it as it adds a confusing wrinkle. I would like to see only upward movement from the EDR from this point out.
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i would also not like it.
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I'm against it, it would only open the door for more and more transfer situations that do not add to the purpose - the Entry Draft.
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I'm against it, it would only open the door for more and more transfer situations that do not add to the purpose - the Entry Draft.
I think it should remain open, so we can clear some roster spots to begin with and have an opportunity to claim players that we missed in the most recent drafts that we should have access to. It's not fair that the top 5 teams got their picks while others didn't. In time, it'll make no difference as the decision will have to be made on who to keep in the ten spots.
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I think it should remain open, so we can clear some roster spots to begin with and have an opportunity to claim players that we missed in the most recent drafts that we should have access to. It's not fair that the top 5 teams got their picks while others didn't. In time, it'll make no difference as the decision will have to be made on who to keep in the ten spots.
Why would we restrict the window for moving players? I don't see any reason, as long as a player meets the criteria you should be able to move him there until he makes the mlb squad.
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Why would we restrict the window for moving players? I don't see any reason, as long as a player meets the criteria you should be able to move him there until he makes the mlb squad.
Mj does have a point...I'm a bit torn between both sides as of now. I'll check on the debate as it goes forward and see where I lean.
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I generally favor movement in one direction, but M.J. does have a point about the missed 2009 draftees. I could not vote in allowing teams to move players from their MLB roster to the EDR at this point, but maybe straight from FA to EDR if the player was eligible for the EDR. The only problem with this is that it takes away from the importance of the entry draft which is Ben's major sticking point.
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I guess I'm not against keeping the window open through free agency, such that teams that would have made an attempt to sign on of their MLB-team's prospects last season had they known of the EDR have the opportunity to do so.
I don't think we should keep the window open indefinitely, as teams could trade away later picks for value but fill their EDR with free agent prospects that might be just as good - diminishing the purpose of the Entry Draft / EDR.
- Only players drafted by the current team are eligible for the EDR, players acquired via trade or free agency are not
- Only player that have never played an MLB game are eligible for the EDR.** As soon as a player on the EDR has 1 MLB game played, they must immediately be moved to the 40-man roster or released. If the player is moved to the 40-man roster, they are subject to standard prospect contract rules. Players on the EDR may be traded, but the acquiring team must place them on the 40-man roster
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I guess I'm not against keeping the window open through free agency, such that teams that would have made an attempt to sign on of their MLB-team's prospects last season had they known of the EDR have the opportunity to do so.
I don't think we should keep the window open indefinitely, as teams could trade away later picks for value but fill their EDR with free agent prospects that might be just as good - diminishing the purpose of the Entry Draft / EDR.
I think the EDR eligibility rules prohibit this. A team can only place a player who was drafted by their team and hasn't played in the mlb in EDR. For instance, I could sign a Dodgers draft pick with no mlb experience and place him in my EDR. I'm not supporting changes the eligibility rules but, rather, allowing a free agent that fits the criteria to be placed in EDR.
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I think it should remain open, so we can clear some roster spots to begin with and have an opportunity to claim players that we missed in the most recent drafts that we should have access to. It's not fair that the top 5 teams got their picks while others didn't. In time, it'll make no difference as the decision will have to be made on who to keep in the ten spots.
You guys do have a point with the EDR rosters, but im thinking if there is a FA that wasnt drafted, why cant that player just be added to the roster? You had the chance in drafting this player! I just believe that the EDR should not be open to this. I do understand what your point is, but I think as of now we leave it as is!
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You guys do have a point with the EDR rosters, but im thinking if there is a FA that wasnt drafted, why cant that player just be added to the roster? You had the chance in drafting this player! I just believe that the EDR should not be open to this. I do understand what your point is, but I think as of now we leave it as is!
There are a number of 2008 and 2009 draft picks that weren't available in the player pool when rosters were formed (for instance, the Dodgers top rated prospect). I think there should be some way that these players can be claimed and placed on EDR (whether through free agency or any other suggested way).
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Extending the EDR transfer date to the end of free agency seems like a good idea, if some prospects weren't available during roster formations last year.
The question in my head is whether teams should have the rights to those prospects immediately, or should they be thrown into the free agent pool?
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Maybe teams should be allowed to keep one prospect of their choice from their team and the rest will go to the FA pool. This way they can keep their top prospect without filling their EDR with similar value players. I also think the EDR transfer window should remain open through FA, but only this one time.
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Per the current conversation in this thread (http://profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=1464.0), I think this is something that we need to allow on a permanent basis according to how we drafted the original rules. There wouldn't be too many players that would be eligible for EDR transfers as they would have to of been drafted by your team in real life and never been on a Franchise GM roster. Ben, Jake, Chad, M.J., and Roy - what do we think about this caveat in the rules?
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On one hand, I think the teams that missed out on prospects and acquire them via FA or trade have the right to move them to the EDR...on the other hand, the EDR was designed for draftees after the '09 season, not to be filled up prior to the draft in June. Maybe a middle ground should be enforced. Possibly not allowing more than 5 spots (half the EDR roster) to be filled on the EDR prior to the draft? Of course, I have not looked at all of the teams, if many teams already have more than five, then it's not enforceable.
If that isn't feasible, I'll side with the initial concept of the EDR, to allow only drafted players (by our GM's, not real life) to be moved from this point on. All players not acquired in such a manner should be placed on the 40 man roster.
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I'm OK with this new caveat, because it follows the letter of the law. Also, I don't think there will be too many applicable cases.
Roy
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Guys
I'm OK with this new caveat, because it follows the letter of the law. Also, I don't think there will be too many applicable cases.
Roy
Roy,
I completely agree that the number of cases will be few and far between.
Colby
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I want to make sure that I am sure about the following move before I complete it. Can I move Sean Doolittle $0.5 (P, N/A) to my EDR Roster? He was drafted by the A's.
In addition, how are international signees treated? There is a young A's player, not Ynoa, that I am considering, could he be transferred to the EDR?
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I want to make sure that I am sure about the following move before I complete it. Can I move Sean Doolittle $0.5 (P, N/A) to my EDR Roster? He was drafted by the A's.
In addition, how are international signees treated? There is a young A's player, not Ynoa, that I am considering, could he be transferred to the EDR?
Doolittle can moved to your EDR. An un-drafted player that started in the A's system cannot be transferred though.
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I think we need to be careful that teams can now target players to sign and add to their EDR under this condition and essentially replace traded late round draft picks at no cost.
Again, the EDR is the Entry Draft Roster - it was implemented with the sole purpose of preserving the value of our Entry Draft, not increasing a teams ability to protect all prospects. There was a push to allow a one-time move a specific subset of players to the EDR that don't meet the defined criteria, and we allowed it. Now there is a push to make a 2nd concession. While I won't stand in the way if others on the RC are in agreement, I wanted to reiterate that this is not the purpose, and is somewhat unfair for teams that have retained or acquired late round picks.
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I think we need to be careful that teams can now target players to sign and add to their EDR under this condition and essentially replace traded late round draft picks at no cost.
Again, the EDR is the Entry Draft Roster - it was implemented with the sole purpose of preserving the value of our Entry Draft, not increasing a teams ability to protect all prospects. There was a push to allow a one-time move a specific subset of players to the EDR that don't meet the defined criteria, and we allowed it. Now there is a push to make a 2nd concession. While I won't stand in the way if others on the RC are in agreement, I wanted to reiterate that this is not the purpose, and is somewhat unfair for teams that have retained or acquired late round picks.
I completely agree as it will render their picks useless if they go after EDR eligible players. However, I can't disagree with the idea of picking up guys from your system that you missed out on because of a previous GM. It would be fair to place a limit to the amount of players that can be transferred. I propose the greater of 5 and one's current EDR count.
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I completely agree as it will render their picks useless if they go after EDR eligible players. However, I can't disagree with the idea of picking up guys from your system that you missed out on because of a previous GM. It would be fair to place a limit to the amount of players that can be transferred. I propose the greater of 5 and one's current EDR count.
I don't think a maximum is necessary. It should be the gm's choice to retain who he wants in EDR. Over time there will be decisions to make regardless, as it's unlikely a team's EDR clear out every season.