Proposal to change extension method

[jmtrops]

ok so here is the down side. Im a team that wont make the playoffs this coming year and I will have 10 players to resign at the end of the year and assuming the prospect discount dont change I will be 3.6M over the cap. the biggest reason for this is I traded cap space this year and next year, 10M next year based on our current extension prices (which I would have 8.8M in cap space). this is the problem with these type of changes is 1 season is not enough time for me to adjust. Im not a top 3 team and struggle just to make the playoffs. Im still in favor of this change but if we had talked about this 1 month ago I would not have just traded 10M cap space for next year. and I might be the only one in this situation but everyone should apply this to there team and see what happens to there cap next year. if a lot of teams are going to be in the same cap problem as me then Im good with having to make what ever adjustments needed but if there are only 3 of us then maybe a compromise is needed for the transition.

[-BA-]

I think this sounds great, we may need a need to work our a few minor details like what Jim stated, but I like it.

[SlackJack]

ok so here is the down side. Im a team that wont make the playoffs this coming year and I will have 10 players to resign at the end of the year and assuming the prospect discount dont change I will be 3.6M over the cap. the biggest reason for this is I traded cap space this year and next year, 10M next year based on our current extension prices (which I would have 8.8M in cap space). this is the problem with these type of changes is 1 season is not enough time for me to adjust. Im not a top 3 team and struggle just to make the playoffs. Im still in favor of this change but if we had talked about this 1 month ago I would not have just traded 10M cap space for next year. and I might be the only one in this situation but everyone should apply this to there team and see what happens to there cap next year. if a lot of teams are going to be in the same cap problem as me then Im good with having to make what ever adjustments needed but if there are only 3 of us then maybe a compromise is needed for the transition.

I am in favour but let's not stampede into it for sure. Maybe push it a year.

[WestCoastExpress]

But if you want something really solid take the average of the best two of the last three years. Seems like something Excel can handle.

 

[jmtrops]

I can adjust ok if I resign a bunch of the now but I would like to have an exception for the resign rule that if you resign early the value can not be lower than its current value. I have 2 of them, one would go from 4.8M to 4M and the other would go from 3.6M to 2.7M. doing these it will cut down my cap this year to 4.1M and will make me under the cap next year under the new system.

[Rob]

Yes which is why an average of the last 3 years is best.

It doesn't make sense.  If a young player gets to appear in 20 games in his first year and struggles to produce, but then pops in his second year and puts up good numbers - his renewal shouldn't be an average of those 2 seasons, it should be based on his 2nd season. The numbers would be just plain silly.  Sure, there's outliers in the best of 2 year thing - but all in all it works out pretty well.

[SlackJack]

It doesn't make sense.  If a young player gets to appear in 20 games in his first year and struggles to produce, but then pops in his second year and puts up good numbers - his renewal shouldn't be an average of those 2 seasons, it should be based on his 2nd season. The numbers would be just plain silly.  Sure, there's outliers in the best of 2 year thing - but all in all it works out pretty well.

Already addressed that Rob. I'm at yes on your changes....have an open mind.

Use the greater of the two values for rookies that will be signed to prospect discounts, but the average for extension values.

[SlackJack]

Also the top 25 extension value example posted looks based on 2018-19 only and not the best of the two years. I've done an average of the same players for the last two years but can't get my chart to drop in nicely. Would love to see one of you excel wizards chart a weighted average for the last three years (avg of best two). My facility with excel is middling but I can manage it if I have to.       

[Rob]

ok so here is the down side. Im a team that wont make the playoffs this coming year and I will have 10 players to resign at the end of the year and assuming the prospect discount dont change I will be 3.6M over the cap. the biggest reason for this is I traded cap space this year and next year, 10M next year based on our current extension prices (which I would have 8.8M in cap space). this is the problem with these type of changes is 1 season is not enough time for me to adjust. Im not a top 3 team and struggle just to make the playoffs. Im still in favor of this change but if we had talked about this 1 month ago I would not have just traded 10M cap space for next year. and I might be the only one in this situation but everyone should apply this to there team and see what happens to there cap next year. if a lot of teams are going to be in the same cap problem as me then Im good with having to make what ever adjustments needed but if there are only 3 of us then maybe a compromise is needed for the transition.

Jim - could you do the math to tell me what your total cap hit would be if you extended all of your players under the current rules vs the cap hit extending all your players under the new rules?

I'd then like to compare you with a few of the top teams.  I have a feeling they will suffer more than you.  And if that's the case, then I'm still OK putting you all through this right away.  If we find there's a discrepancy and teams like yours suffer more than those at the top, then I might agree with your subsequent idea of allowing extensions now without the rule of matching the existing contract value - to let teams like yours get adjusted.

I'll run some numbers on a few other teams as well. 

[Rob]

Also the top 25 extension value example posted looks based on 2018-19 only and not the best of the two years. I've done an average of the same players for the last two years but can't get my chart to drop in nicely. Would love to see one of you excel wizards chart a weighted average for the last three years (avg of best two). My facility with excel is middling but I can manage it if I have to.    

That's one thing I forgot to point out - all of my extension values for comparisons sake are from 18/19 only.  I didn't feel like pulling prior numbers :/