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Re: HEADS UP Goalie Extensions Increase 2016-17
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2015, 09:56:06 AM »

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I have been doing some thinking on this.  do you think going up on goalie extensions even further is the best idea.. A top goalie would be eating up almost an 1/4 of a persons total cap space.. I think what you will see happen is Goalies will still continue to get their extensions no matter what and you are going to see an absolute crap ton of players/skaters going to FA.   

Upping their extension cost is basically just trying reduce their value.  This can be done by slightly decreasing their stats collection over a period of time.  We currently award 0.25 pts for every save.  What if you just reduced it by 0.01pts , for the next 5 seasons?  you end up at 0.20 pts per save.

The average goalie in the league makes 1500 saves.  1500x .25 = 375ftps.    1500x.24= 360ftps.   1500x.20 = 300 ftps.

so next season the average goalie loses about 15ftps on the entire season but that would affect all teams equally. 

The problem I have with doing large increases to the extensions is it will create large disparities between teams that have to extend goalies at the new rates and ones who have goalies at the old extension costs.  It may take teams 5 years to get back to parity on goalie costs. 
The other issue I see with raising costs is again creating huge price gaps between minor league developed goalies to when they have to be extended.

I dont want to throw a wrench in the plans, but just throwing this out for thought before we go escalating goalie prices that could in turn cause other issues down the road. 

I really think we are at a good spot happy medium between extension costs and available cap to teams. bringing the goalie costs higher could tip that scale.  We havent even seen the full effect of the last goalie extension costs on all teams. 

By a very slow reduction in stats it will affect all teams equally but not adversely over a 5year period of time vs. extension cost increase that will affect all teams but at very different times over a 5 year period.
 
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Re: HEADS UP Goalie Extensions Increase 2016-17
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2015, 03:06:51 PM »
PPG what is ETA on the new top tier goalie extensions?


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Re: HEADS UP Goalie Extensions Increase 2016-17
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2015, 12:02:24 AM »
PPG what is ETA on the new top tier goalie extensions?
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Re: HEADS UP Goalie Extensions Increase 2016-17
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2015, 11:35:16 PM »
  That is because you never changed Goalies as far as Entry Level Draft contracts are concerned.

Entry levek deals are meant to be favourable.
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Re: HEADS UP Goalie Extensions Increase 2016-17
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2015, 05:20:49 PM »
We'll see after a few yrs. The new era of Goalie extensions only kicked in last yr so give it a little more time to play out.

Another way to position this is drafting goalies and holding them as prospects in the minors has gained more value.
  That is because you never changed Goalies as far as Entry Level Draft contracts are concerned.
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Re: HEADS UP Goalie Extensions Increase 2016-17
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2015, 10:40:00 PM »
We'll see after a few yrs. The new era of Goalie extensions only kicked in last yr so give it a little more time to play out.

Another way to position this is drafting goalies and holding them as prospects in the minors has gained more value.


i am not saying teams dont need to pony up or that they goalies are too expensive.  I am just saying there could be a better layout/divisions for the extensions.  They are not like skaters and there are some definite divisions/cutoffs that goalies go from extreme value to useless.

Teams should definitely have to pay for production but I dont think making someone pay 5mill per year for a speculation goalie is good.  I guess what i am saying in a round about way is yes increase to the top end goalies, but reduce the backend of goalies. 

 
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Re: HEADS UP Goalie Extensions Increase 2016-17
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2015, 03:35:59 PM »
The Goalie Extensions were structured to ensure teams don't hoard Free Agent Goalie prospects without paying a steep price.

Because Goalie scoring is so BooYah!  off the charts in this league they have to be the highest earners. They are the mega stars of Franchise NHL so they will earn the most on extension deals. :thumbsup:  And rightfully so man! I wouldn't have it any other way!

i am not saying teams dont need to pony up or that they goalies are too expensive.  I am just saying there could be a better layout/divisions for the extensions.  They are not like skaters and there are some definite divisions/cutoffs that goalies go from extreme value to useless.

Teams should definitely have to pay for production but I dont think making someone pay 5mill per year for a speculation goalie is good.  I guess what i am saying in a round about way is yes increase to the top end goalies, but reduce the backend of goalies. 

 
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Re: HEADS UP Goalie Extensions Increase 2016-17
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2015, 05:32:25 PM »
You guys should probably look into revamping the list down through for goalies.   When I revamped them I just did a 20% hike across the board. ( I did kind of a crappy job)  Goalie extensions really need more of a stepped approach vs. the skaters extensions. 

When you look at it the top 33 players in ftps last year were all goalies(except ovi, he is a freak) .  So your top 30 highest paid players in the league should in a perfect world be all goalies. ie 30 teams 30 starting goalies.   

Your current 30th goalie extension is only 5.9 highest is 10.4, which is too much of a drop off between starting goalies as they all produce somewhat similar numbers.  You top 5 goalies should be probably in the 10-12 region , 6th to 30th should start dropping 10-8mill, 30th to 45 should take another steep dive since you are starting to get into backup territory with less than half the value of a full starter. 8mill drop to 4/5 mill
45 to 65 , 4/5mill to 2.5/3 mill ,   Anything after 65 is getting into speculation and should start a stead spike down to 1million (any goalie worth having on your pro roster should be at least 1mill per year)

***credit to Slackjack for our converstion and bringing out an obvious flaw in the mid section of the extensions***

The Goalie Extensions were structured to ensure teams don't hoard Free Agent Goalie prospects without paying a steep price.

Because Goalie scoring is so damn off the charts in this league they have to be the highest earners. They are the mega stars of Franchise NHL so they will earn the most on extension deals. :thumbsup:  And rightfully so man! I wouldn't have it any other way!
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Re: HEADS UP Goalie Extensions Increase 2016-17
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2015, 03:17:56 PM »
You guys should probably look into revamping the list down through for goalies.   When I revamped them I just did a 20% hike across the board. ( I did kind of a crappy job)  Goalie extensions really need more of a stepped approach vs. the skaters extensions. 

When you look at it the top 33 players in ftps last year were all goalies(except ovi, he is a freak) .  So your top 30 highest paid players in the league should in a perfect world be all goalies. ie 30 teams 30 starting goalies.   

Your current 30th goalie extension is only 5.9 highest is 10.4, which is too much of a drop off between starting goalies as they all produce somewhat similar numbers.  You top 5 goalies should be probably in the 10-12 region , 6th to 30th should start dropping 10-8mill, 30th to 45 should take another steep dive since you are starting to get into backup territory with less than half the value of a full starter. 8mill drop to 4/5 mill
45 to 65 , 4/5mill to 2.5/3 mill ,   Anything after 65 is getting into speculation and should start a stead spike down to 1million (any goalie worth having on your pro roster should be at least 1mill per year)

***credit to Slackjack for our converstion and bringing out an obvious flaw in the mid section of the extensions***
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Re: HEADS UP Goalie Extensions Increase 2016-17
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2015, 04:34:16 PM »
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