ProFSL: Pro Fantasy Sports Leagues
Fantasy Leagues => Franchise GM: History Books => Franchise GM => MLB Leagues => Franchise GM: Draft Archives => Topic started by: shooter47 on July 29, 2013, 12:50:33 PM
-
With the removal of Draft bonuses (Vote can be found here: http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=73468.0 ) the rules for FGM need to be changed. Here are my proposal to reword the rules.
Full Rules found here: http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=30.0
Entry Draft Contracts
These are bonuses to be paid in the entry draft per the rankings provided by Baseball America. These bonuses are not based on actual Franchise GM draft position.
1 - $7.0m
2 - $6.0m
3 - $5.0m
4 - $4.0m
5 and 6 - $3.5m
7 and 8 - $3.0m
9 thru 12 - $2.5m
13 thru 17 - $2.0m
18 thru 31 - $1.5m
32 thru 46 - $1.0m
47 thru 64 - $0.5m
all picks from 65 on require no signing bonus
Change this section to the following:
Players drafted in the FGM entry draft will be given Prospect Contracts, (P-n/a), and can be placed on a teams EDR roster or 40 man roster.
How Draft Will Be Conducted
•If a team is not present for the draft / times out, and did not provide a proxy pick, they'll be awarded the next highest ranked player that they can afford, and then placed on auto-draft.
•The players ranking list is of the same order of Baseball America followed by the actual draft order.
•Entry Draft will only have players who are eligible for the real life MLB Entry Draft.
Entry Draft Roster (EDR)
•The EDR is a roster of additional players not included on the 40-man roster for each team. The maximum size of this roster is 15 players. It will expand to 20 players at the beginning of the 2012 season.
•Only players drafted by the current team are eligible for the EDR, players acquired via trade or free agency are not eligible. In other words, players may only be placed on EDR directly after being drafted by your franchise.
•Players that have never played an MLB game are eligible for the EDR. As soon as a player on the EDR has one MLB game played, they must immediately be moved to the 40-man roster or released. If the player is moved to the 40-man roster, they are subject to standard prospect contract rules. Players on the EDR may be traded, but the acquiring team must place them on the 40-man roster
•The Franchise GM Entry Draft will last 10 rounds, but teams are not required to make picks if they do not wish to make room on their EDR
•Signing bonuses paid to drafted player count against the teams salary cap - after required signing bonuses are paid, players on the EDR are kept at no cost. Players may be dropped from the EDR at any time, at no cost, to make room for newly drafted players (signing bonuses are not reimbursed). Players released from the EDR are subject to standard free agency rules. Delete this Section
•Only players eligible for the MLB Entry Draft will be eligible for the Franchise GM Entry Draft - foreign players and unprotected prospects will be handled via free agency (however foreign players may warrant consideration for an additional rule)
•If a player is not signed by their respective MLB team, the Franchise GM team can retain the player but must increase the signing bonus from the original fixed, pre-draft price to 150% of that value, with a minimum of 0.5M (if they originally did not require a signing bonus). If a 1.0M player goes unsigned, you can either cough up an extra 0.5M for the signing bonus (1.0M*150%=1.5M, -1.0M already paid = 0.5M), or lose the players rights and receive no compensation (but the originally paid 1.0M is reimbursed). Delete this Section
•The 60-day no trade ruling is extended to include draftees.
At this time I would also like to propose the following change to the FGM Entry Draft. I would like to propose the change that only players that were signed in the real life MLB draft can be drafted in FGM. I am making this proposal for the following reasons.
1) With the removal of draft bonuses there is no longer an additional cost to drafting players who haven't signed. To better simulate the real draft players who haven't signed should not be draft eligible.
2) Drafting players who haven't signed creates problems for player and draft administration in FGM. The draft eligible player list must be manually looked at and players already owned in FGM must be removed from this list. Draft administration would be simplified by not allowing unsigned players to be drafted in FGM.
3) There is no longer an issue with knowing if players have signed since the FGM Entry Draft starts the day after the MLB signing deadline. (The draft has been delayed until 9/2/2013 this year due to the league not being ready to draft and the changes to the Entry Draft Rules above).
RC Members please respond with any concerns, questions or comments that you may have.
Shooter
-
I'm not sure how the 4-3-1 vote count got the rules changed, but I won't rock the boat on that I suppose.
I'm in agreement with eliminating unsigned players from the draft eligible pool, we probably should have done that when we rescheduled the draft (I don't remember why we didn't).
-
I am good with the elimination of unsigned players from the draft.
-
That all sounds good. I agree that unsigned players should not be able to be drafted here
-
I good with all the changes.
-
I agree with the elimination of unsigned players from the draft.
-
Is this a vote to also eliminate signing bonuses?
-
Is this a vote to also eliminate signing bonuses?
The RC voted to eliminate Rookie signing bonuses last fall (see link below). This post is on updating the rules to reflect the elimination of signing bonuses and a proposal to eliminate the drafting of unsigned players from the real MLB draft.
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=73468.0
Shooter
-
The RC voted to eliminate Rookie signing bonuses last fall (see link below). This post is on updating the rules to reflect the elimination of signing bonuses and a proposal to eliminate the drafting of unsigned players from the real MLB draft.
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=73468.0
Shooter
Great point... I completely forgot about that vote.
-
Just so that everyone is clear any player that is already owned by a franchise and was drafted as an unsigned player will continue to be owned by this team. These players will be grandfathered in to the old rules so that these teams will continue to own their rights. Drafting of unsigned players would be eliminated for any future drafts.
Shooter
-
The only point I don't agree with is that when an EDR player is traded, he goes to the acquiring teams 40 man.
I guess there's a reason why this was done; I just don't know what that reason is. Anyone care to elaborate?
-
The original EDR concept was the value of most players in the draft are not worthy of being rostered given our league setup, but we wanted to maintain a strong entry draft. As such, we made strict rules to preserve the value of players you draft.
That's the basis behind the current EDR rules.
-
The force to the MLB roster during a trade incentives true farming by fantasy GMs.
-
The force to the MLB roster during a trade incentives true farming by fantasy GMs.
Point well taken, that MiLB players traded late in the season are likely protected. But how many off-season deals have there been with MiLB players as "throw-ins" and not put on the receiving teams 40-man?
If that is the intent, fine, let's leave it as is. IMO though it is a deal breaker in a lot of instances. It would discourage me knowing I would have to release a player from my 40 man roster for an "A" player that might be 3 years away.
-
The original EDR concept was the value of most players in the draft are not worthy of being rostered given our league setup, but we wanted to maintain a strong entry draft. As such, we made strict rules to preserve the value of players you draft.
That's the basis behind the current EDR rules.
In relation to the point made above, and keeping in mind the current practice BHows is referring to, why couldn't an EDR acquired in a trade simply replace someone on the roster of 20 EDRs every team has? We are still having to make a decision regarding who should be protected and who should be released. With that, if a team chooses to bid on a player who is released, or a minor league player in the free agent pool who is not an EDR, then they would have to keep that player on their 40 man roster. This discussion only pertains to players who are currently rostered as EDRs.
IMO, the competitive balance of the league is hurt by the fact that many of the lower echelon teams have 40 man rosters filled with minor league players who have not played at the major league level at all. In my case, I don't have a problem promoting an EDR who has MLB experience and having to make a decision whether they are worth keeping if they are shipped to the minors. Like many of us, I have players who are really EDRs and are years away from the majors, but because of our current rules, I am forced to use a 40 man roster space and cap space, or I will lose them.
Wouldn't it help the competitive balance of the league if we could fill a roster spot with a player who can actually give us some fantasy points instead of with a player who should be part of our EDR roster? We have strict rules about contract obligations and releasing players, wouldn't it make more sense to have to drop a 40 man roster player if, and when an EDR is promoted?
Maybe I'm missing something, but since we're on the subject I thought I'd offer an opinion.
-
We have strict rules about contract obligations and releasing players, wouldn't it make more sense to have to drop a 40 man roster player if, and when an EDR is promoted?
I'm not quite sure what you mean by this comment - you can choose either to cut the promoted EDR player or make room for him on your 40-man roster (by cutting or trading one of those players)
-
I'm not quite sure what you mean by this comment - you can choose either to cut the promoted EDR player or make room for him on your 40-man roster (by cutting or trading one of those players)
I am aware that that we currently have to make such a decision regarding an EDR promotion under our current system of rules. That is not what I am referring to.
I will give you an example to illustrate my point. The Brewers and the Giants agree to this trade (remember it is only to illustrate a point).
Brewers trade:
SP Shields, James, $3m (2014)
Giants trade:
EDRs
SP Giolito, Lucas, $0.5m (P-n/a) ETA 2016
SP Conley, Adam, $0.5m (P-n/a) ETA 2014
The Brewers have a 40 man roster and the Giants have 39. The Giants receive a player who is on a MLB 25 man roster. The Brewers get two EDRs that are projected to be in the Majors in 2014 and 2016. Giolito is a top 100 prospect, but his ETA is 2016. Conley is the #6 prospect in his organization, but his ETA is 2014. Wouldn't it make more sense for the Brewers to release 2 of his EDRs and replace them with Giolito and Conley and await their development and then fill the two open spots on the 40 man roster with players who are actually in the majors to help his team score points? Doesn't mean he has to cut an EDR, maybe he promotes one who he thinks is nearer promotion to the big leagues and adds him to his 40 man roster instead of losing him--the difference is that is the Brewers choice and not mandated like it is under our present rules.
Then, as I tried to explain earlier, when either Giolito or Conley need to be promoted, the decision whether to add them to the 40 man roster can be made. I just don't see why we have to keep an EDR we acquire in a trade on our 40 man roster when they do not have any MLB experience.
-
Ok, I understand the argument. Part of the reason is it is the way it is now is to value to the players you draft. While they are groomed they will not have as much value to any other team as they do to yours (since only you can keep them on the EDR), again in attempt to escalate the importance of your own draft. Prospects you draft have more value than those you can acquire via trade or FA.
I admit bias as I proposed all of the current draft and EDR rules. I'm not adamantly against changing it, but I think there's value in the way it is now (as opposed to the undrafted rule which was obsolete). I have an overall preference that we no longer tweak the rules - we should only modify them when critical.
-
Doesn't mean he has to cut an EDR, maybe he promotes one who he thinks is nearer promotion to the big leagues and adds him to his 40 man roster instead of losing him--the difference is that is the Brewers choice and not mandated like it is under our present rules.
A team can choose to call up a player from their EDR before he makes his major league debut. The rule only states that as soon as a player makes a debut he must be called up so that players don't sit in a teams EDR. During the draft a team could choose to call up a person from the EDR to their 40 man roster to open up a roster spot on their EDR for a drafted player.
Shooter
-
A team can choose to call up a player from their EDR before he makes his major league debut. The rule only states that as soon as a player makes a debut he must be called up so that players don't sit in a teams EDR. During the draft a team could choose to call up a person from the EDR to their 40 man roster to open up a roster spot on their EDR for a drafted player.
Shooter
Promoting your own EDRs is not the question or an issue in the discussion. I am suggesting that we be allowed to place EDRs we get in trades on our EDR roster--instead of being required to place them on our 40 man roster. This is the only change I am suggesting in our present EDR rules.
-
Promoting your own EDRs is not the question or an issue in the discussion. I am suggesting that we be allowed to place EDRs we get in trades on our EDR roster--instead of being required to place them on our 40 man roster. This is the only change I am suggesting in our present EDR rules.
I agree with Ernesto. I think we should be able to put EDR players we trade for on our EDR roster instead of having to move them to the 40 man roster.
-
With the removal of Draft bonuses (Vote can be found here: http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=73468.0 ) the rules for FGM need to be changed. Here are my proposal to reword the rules.
Full Rules found here: http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=30.0
Entry Draft Contracts
These are bonuses to be paid in the entry draft per the rankings provided by Baseball America. These bonuses are not based on actual Franchise GM draft position.
1 - $7.0m
2 - $6.0m
3 - $5.0m
4 - $4.0m
5 and 6 - $3.5m
7 and 8 - $3.0m
9 thru 12 - $2.5m
13 thru 17 - $2.0m
18 thru 31 - $1.5m
32 thru 46 - $1.0m
47 thru 64 - $0.5m
all picks from 65 on require no signing bonus
Change this section to the following:
Players drafted in the FGM entry draft will be given Prospect Contracts, (P-n/a), and can be placed on a teams EDR roster or 40 man roster.
How Draft Will Be Conducted
•If a team is not present for the draft / times out, and did not provide a proxy pick, they'll be awarded the next highest ranked player that they can afford, and then placed on auto-draft.
•The players ranking list is of the same order of Baseball America followed by the actual draft order.
•Entry Draft will only have players who are eligible for the real life MLB Entry Draft.
Entry Draft Roster (EDR)
•The EDR is a roster of additional players not included on the 40-man roster for each team. The maximum size of this roster is 15 players. It will expand to 20 players at the beginning of the 2012 season.
•Only players drafted by the current team are eligible for the EDR, players acquired via trade or free agency are not eligible. In other words, players may only be placed on EDR directly after being drafted by your franchise.
•Players that have never played an MLB game are eligible for the EDR. As soon as a player on the EDR has one MLB game played, they must immediately be moved to the 40-man roster or released. If the player is moved to the 40-man roster, they are subject to standard prospect contract rules. Players on the EDR may be traded, but the acquiring team must place them on the 40-man roster
•The Franchise GM Entry Draft will last 10 rounds, but teams are not required to make picks if they do not wish to make room on their EDR
•Signing bonuses paid to drafted player count against the teams salary cap - after required signing bonuses are paid, players on the EDR are kept at no cost. Players may be dropped from the EDR at any time, at no cost, to make room for newly drafted players (signing bonuses are not reimbursed). Players released from the EDR are subject to standard free agency rules. Delete this Section
•Only players eligible for the MLB Entry Draft will be eligible for the Franchise GM Entry Draft - foreign players and unprotected prospects will be handled via free agency (however foreign players may warrant consideration for an additional rule)
•If a player is not signed by their respective MLB team, the Franchise GM team can retain the player but must increase the signing bonus from the original fixed, pre-draft price to 150% of that value, with a minimum of 0.5M (if they originally did not require a signing bonus). If a 1.0M player goes unsigned, you can either cough up an extra 0.5M for the signing bonus (1.0M*150%=1.5M, -1.0M already paid = 0.5M), or lose the players rights and receive no compensation (but the originally paid 1.0M is reimbursed). Delete this Section
•The 60-day no trade ruling is extended to include draftees.
At this time I would also like to propose the following change to the FGM Entry Draft. I would like to propose the change that only players that were signed in the real life MLB draft can be drafted in FGM. I am making this proposal for the following reasons.
1) With the removal of draft bonuses there is no longer an additional cost to drafting players who haven't signed. To better simulate the real draft players who haven't signed should not be draft eligible.
2) Drafting players who haven't signed creates problems for player and draft administration in FGM. The draft eligible player list must be manually looked at and players already owned in FGM must be removed from this list. Draft administration would be simplified by not allowing unsigned players to be drafted in FGM.
3) There is no longer an issue with knowing if players have signed since the FGM Entry Draft starts the day after the MLB signing deadline. (The draft has been delayed until 9/2/2013 this year due to the league not being ready to draft and the changes to the Entry Draft Rules above).
RC Members please respond with any concerns, questions or comments that you may have.
Shooter
I also cast my vote for making these changes to the rules for the Entry Draft and eliminating players who are unsigned from being drafted in the FGM Entry Draft.
The following have voted yes to these changes:
Brewers GM :MIL:, VolsRaysBucs :TB:, Kungfuwig :KC:, Papps :PHI:, Flash :SF: and shooter47 :BAL:
Colby :PIT:, Rcankosy :TEX: and BHows :LAD: have all yet to cast a vote.
With the current tally being 6-0 in favor of yes these changes have passed the RC. :judge:
The language in the Rules for the Entry Draft will be updated. Also unsigned players from the real life MLB Draft will no longer be eligible to be drafted in FGM. Any player that is currently on a team and was drafted when they were an unsigned player in the MLB draft will continue to be owned by their current team. This rule applies to the 2013 FGM Entry Draft and future drafts.
Thanks,
Shooter