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While we are at it, since you are already here, if there are changes you would like to see instituted in the rules, please post them here. There will be no unilateral rules changes, if I take over, changes will be made only after vote and consent of the league.
Proposed topics for further discussion so far(based on this post):
- # of actively scored positions
- Elimination of draft pick trading
- Free agent compensation
- Rules & trade committees
- Roster size / Rule 5 draft
- Pitching limits
- Changes to IFA
- Tanking Rules
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I'll get it started...
1) Standardize the amount that each team gets for international $. I don't understand how when every team has the same payroll, you can have teams with different international funds.
2) Score 1 catcher
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1)I think lowering the size of starting positions should be loward down. I don't think we need as many of positions we have. Maybe 3 I think would be good.
2) international money I think 10m for each team.
3) get rid of trading draft picks and keep draft to 10 rounds. But add comp picks for top free agents teams lose because they can't afford them.
4) keep payroll the way it is but look into maybe changing it next yr to actually what real mlb teams have for every team. This will make it more fun.
5) rules committee and trade committee so we don't have any issues or problems with trades and rules
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1)I think lowering the size of starting positions should be loward down. I don't think we need as many of positions we have. Maybe 3 I think would be good.
2) international money I think 10m for each team.
3) get rid of trading draft picks and keep draft to 10 rounds. But add comp picks for top free agents teams lose because they can't afford them.
4) keep payroll the way it is but look into maybe changing it next yr to actually what real mlb teams have for every team. This will make it more fun.
5) rules committee and trade committee so we don't have any issues or problems with trades and rules
Sounds like you want to start a new league!
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1) Decrease active roster spots to 8 positions + DH. Have 5 man rotation and 7man bullpen.
2) Keep international $$$ tied to draft position to aid rebuilding teams.
3) possibly decrease roster from 40 to 25.
4) No trading of picks to mirror MLB. Additionally, it allows all teams to have farm talent. Maximum of 20 rounds.
5) Maximum of 8 pitcher starts per week.
6) Add a Rule 5 draft to prevent teams from burying talent
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2) Keep international $$$ tied to draft position to aid rebuilding teams.
There's no way that international funds are currently tied to draft position. :HOU: has had over $4m in funds for at least the last two years even though they won the league the year previous. Here is an example, the 2017 Champion has more $ than Colorado (made the playoffs, but out in the first round) & the Dodgers, who got 0, despite being one of the worst teams in the league.
Colorado Rockies $2,118,900
Houston Astros $4,338,100
Los Angeles Dodgers $0
These have got to be based on actual teams international $. I would also support tying international $ to standings, but we cannot have teams having 0 either. One way or the other, the rule needs to change.
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There's no way that international funds are currently tied to draft position. :HOU: has had over $4m in funds for at least the last two years even though they won the league the year previous. Here is an example, the 2017 Champion has more $ than Colorado (made the playoffs, but out in the first round) & the Dodgers, who got 0, despite being one of the worst teams in the league.
Colorado Rockies $2,118,900
Houston Astros $4,338,100
Los Angeles Dodgers $0
These have got to be based on actual teams international $. I would also support tying international $ to standings, but we cannot have teams having 0 either. One way or the other, the rule needs to change.
It is tied. People traded the international money to Houston.
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I like the structure of this league. The IFA scale is pretty fair, bottom-five teams shouldn't be outbid for the best specs. We could probably go down to one starting catcher. This league is an administrative nightmare, so I'm good with whatever we do to make it easier and enjoyable for the ones doing the work.
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1) Decrease active roster spots to 8 positions + DH. Have 5 man rotation and 7man bullpen.
2) Keep international $$$ tied to draft position to aid rebuilding teams.
3) possibly decrease roster from 40 to 25.
4) No trading of picks to mirror MLB. Additionally, it allows all teams to have farm talent. Maximum of 20 rounds.
5) Maximum of 8 pitcher starts per week.
6) Add a Rule 5 draft to prevent teams from burying talent
I like these suggestions best except for reducing the 40 man roster to 25. This helps limit transactions when there are injuries. The trading of draft picks is out of hand and doesn't mirror the game itself. Limit the amount of picks you can acquire each round to 2 if not eliminate the practice altogether. Maximum pitching starts per week is a must to make things fair. I think a Rule 5 draft or something similar is necessary to rebalance the league.
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My opinion on a few of the items being discussed here...
1.) I agree with changing rules so picks can’t be traded. While rules have been put in place recently to try to reign it in its still wildly out of control and leads to a select few teams hoarding future draft picks. This practice has lead us to a very unbalanced league which leads to....
2.) I agree a rule 5 would be a great idea. The problem is on the administrative side. As someone who’s helped out off and on for the last few years including being commish for a bit, this league is tons of work. A rule 5 would add a lot of work so we would need to reduce work elsewhere to make it realistic which leads me to...
3.) I think rosters should be kept at 40. Decreasing would lead to more transactions between 25 and 40. I would be open to adjusting the number of active spots but the idea behind the current format is in real life 25 spots generally contribute to a team (starting or not) which is why they accrue points. The bench is essentially players on 40man but not active 25 roster which means when an owner wants to make a player “active” it’s simply a lineup change rather than an actual posted transaction that an administrator needs to process.
4.) I think IFA should continue to be linked to previous years record. That said, like draft picks I think we should set a more stringent limit to trading funds or even ban the trading of IFA funds. I know this would deviate a bit from real life but we’ve been deviating from real life with all the draft picks traded so banning all would effectively keep the league with the same realism while ensuring better competitive balance and reducing administrative work.
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1. Is there a need for an Anti-Tanking rule?
2. I believe the minor league roster breakdown is out of date. I don't see a breakdown of the 25 max at each level. I guess maybe that rule just went away, but is still under the rules section.
I'll post more rules questions as I come across them.
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The 25 man at each level has been eliminated. It is now just a straight 200 minor leaguers.
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1. Is there a need for an Anti-Tanking rule?
I'll post more rules questions as I come across them.
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2016, 06:58:01 PM »
Tanking Rule
Beginning in the 2017 season, any team scoring...
Less than 2,000 points lose their 1st round pick for that season.
More than 2,000 but less than 3,000 points loses a 2nd round pick for that season.
Unowned teams will not be subject to this provision.
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Tanking Rule
Beginning in the 2017 season, any team scoring...
Less than 2,000 points lose their 1st round pick for that season.
More than 2,000 but less than 3,000 points loses a 2nd round pick for that season.
Unowned teams will not be subject to this provision.
I read the rule, I just don't see a need for it. Teams have to suck for a while to get better. Cubs, Astros, Indians, Braves, etc have all went that route in RL. To do that in a league that is trying to mimic the MLB makes it that much harder for the teams trying to rebuild. Looking at the shape of this league, it looks like that rule was put in place to benefit the good teams and allowed super teams to be built since teams in rebuid would get penalized for rebuilding.
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The current tanking rule may hinder teams because they are so bad they can't score enough to keep their draft picks. However, I would guess the rule was put in because it has been a hot topic in sports and has become a regular occuring problem. Tanking is what the Chicago Black Sox did and there should be a rule against that if a competition is wanted instead of an exhibition. A team may try to win early in the year against one team and then try and lose later in the year to another and that may effect the playoffs. Also, the Cleveland Indians tried to lose and then Willie Mays Hayes had a great year and they won anyway. I don't like the rule either though and I would suggest a losers bracket to prevent the practice with the winning team getting the first pick or require teams to make lineup changes on a weekly basis and make a genuine effort to win judged with the Commissioner's discretion. There is probably only one super team. The New York Mets. Just kidding. It's the Astros. They went undefeated and stockpiled about five times as many picks as they would have in the early rounds if the trading of draft picks weren't allowed. The new teams are having a fire sale and the better teams have the talent to trade and continue to build upon their success with future draft picks thus creating a larger gap amongst the competition. If anyone questions or argues with me I will trade my future draft picks and cheap talent to the top teams for late first round picks and then change my team name to the Tanks. I recently released "El Tanque" Yasmany Tomas if anyone is interested and I have Tanaka. Tank you very much.
P.S. If any of you go against me then you are competing with me and therefore not trying to lose.
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The current tanking rule may hinder teams because they are so bad they can't score enough to keep their draft picks. However, I would guess the rule was put in because it has been a hot topic in sports and has become a regular occuring problem. Tanking is what the Chicago Black Sox did and there should be a rule against that if a competition is wanted instead of an exhibition. A team may try to win early in the year against one team and then try and lose later in the year to another and that may effect the playoffs. Also, the Cleveland Indians tried to lose and then Willie Mays Hayes had a great year and they won anyway. I don't like the rule either though and I would suggest a losers bracket to prevent the practice with the winning team getting the first pick or require teams to make lineup changes on a weekly basis and make a genuine effort to win judged with the Commissioner's discretion. There is probably only one super team. The New York Mets. Just kidding. It's the Astros. They went undefeated and stockpiled about five times as many picks as they would have in the early rounds if the trading of draft picks weren't allowed. The new teams are having a fire sale and the better teams have the talent to trade and continue to build upon their success with future draft picks thus creating a larger gap amongst the competition. If anyone questions or argues with me I will trade my future draft picks and cheap talent to the top teams for late first round picks and then change my team name to the Tanks. I recently released "El Tanque" Yasmany Tomas if anyone is interested and I have Tanaka. Tank you very much.
P.S. If any of you go against me then you are competing with me and therefore not trying to lose.
I agree with Roto. On this. I think we should put this rule on backburner for right know. There is some gms that our going to have enough a tough time building their roster up . yes my team is young and I do have some wholes in it and I will fill them wholes with fa but my minors for example I have 46 position players in minors out of those guys. Only half of them our even in majors or even playing baseball. That being said their will be some teams if anything like my reds will want to build up their minors so they can compete down the road. Some of these teams our in rough shape by keeping this rule I feel gms will be harmed by this. We can always monitor teams to make sure they are not tanking.
Most owners will build there build there team up thru draft within 2 to 3 yrs after that then maybe then we should be a concern but right know I think we hold of on this rule until we truly need to use it.
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The next topic is do we want a TC in the league or our we up to just using regular voting where every team has a say?
2) I think we should not go with a rules commente. I think its best for the league if we have everybody's opinion on what we do. Not every one will agree with making this league better. I just wanted to throw this out on here to see everyones feedback
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I agree with Roto. On this. I think we should put this rule on backburner for right know. There is some gms that our going to have enough a tough time building their roster up . yes my team is young and I do have some wholes in it and I will fill them wholes with fa but my minors for example I have 46 position players in minors out of those guys. Only half of them our even in majors or even playing baseball. That being said their will be some teams if anything like my reds will want to build up their minors so they can compete down the road. Some of these teams our in rough shape by keeping this rule I feel gms will be harmed by this. We can always monitor teams to make sure they are not tanking.
Most owners will build there build there team up thru draft within 2 to 3 yrs after that then maybe then we should be a concern but right know I think we hold of on this rule until we truly need to use it.
This rule is completely ineffective anyway. Even the worst team had almost 10000 points. We definitely need a tanking rule. It hurts the league when you have teams that are built completely of minor leaguers. With 200 spots in the minors, I don't think anyone needs to worry about not being able to build their team.
Yes, I believe this league needs a trade committee.
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This rule is completely ineffective anyway. Even the worst team had almost 10000 points. We definitely need a tanking rule. It hurts the league when you have teams that are built completely of minor leaguers. With 200 spots in the minors, I don't think anyone needs to worry about not being able to build their team.
Yes, I believe this league needs a trade committee.
To give people some background on the tanking rule
I was co-commish at the time and helped shape that tanking rule. The reason behind it was that a couple teams were intentionally leaving major leaguers in minors and fielding mostly empty teams and not coming close to winning a single game all season.
The bar to avoid the forfeiture of draft picks was intentionally set very low. The idea is to not stop teams from “tanking” like the Cubs and Astros did in real life (they still fielded teams albeit bad ones). It’s to prevent teams from fielding 3 players on an entire roster and intentionally going winless all season (which is def not what the Cubs and Astros did as they didn’t intentionally play with fewer players and go 0-162)
A bad, rebuilding team will have some non points accruing roster spots, that’s expected. But there’s no reason they can’t at least call up a couple of their minor leaguers who are accruing points in real life bigs and sign a couple of FAs to at least not completely count as an automatic win for whichever teams they play against.
Just like this league shouldn’t have undefeated dominate teams like the Astros, we should also avoid the opposite extreme if able.
IMO
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Sounds like you want to start a new league!
At this point, we basically are. Lol!
A couple of points of minutia that I would like to address in rules changes.
- Tie the minimum salary in Armchair to the minimum salary in MLB
- Change the official contract information from Cot's to Sportrac - it is easier to find information and provides more information.
- Change that a minor league player under 23 cannot be offered a major league contract to a minor league player with no MLB service time or no MLB games can be offered a major league contract
Also, could someone help me remember why we went to VC contracts with an increase to 500k for major league players on minor league contracts?
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I apologize. I didn't mean to overwrite your post. I was trying quote it and clearly messed it up.
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I didn't mean to overwrite your post.
Been there and done that. Sorry, for the confusion. Thanks, for all your work.
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Another possible option to ensure competiveness and no tanking would be that every team has to have a MLB player in all their active spots (8 fielders + rotations/bullpen). There are plenty of players available to do this (even DL guys would qualify). Each MLB team has approximately 12 fielders so that leaves an excess of talent that can be played. It will allow bad team for 'upset' weeks in addition to not being incapable of winning.
Also, I think there needs to be a rule that you cannot have a minor league player in your lineup if you have MLB players down on the farm.
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The Mets propose the league add a draft monitor. No picks should be made until the available player list is updated and teams are notified. Teams continue to draft out of turn and make asumptions about the skipped picks based on the last round before they are posted. Some of you must be using a sundial. It's making things uncompetitive. Teams pick knowing full well it is not their turn. Messages are left giving those before them permission to go ahead and re-draft them if they really want.It disuades those ahead of them from re-taking a player after they spoil the pick.
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The Rules state the majors minimum is 400k and 450k on two different pages. I'd like to see this change to 500k minimum to limit confusion.
The rules also state that once the week is up for each position, no opening bids may be placed. I think we should allow position players to be bid on continuously after their week.
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=131562.0
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=130463.0
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The Mets propose the league add a draft monitor. No picks should be made until the available player list is updated and teams are notified. Teams continue to draft out of turn and make asumptions about the skipped picks based on the last round before they are posted. Some of you must be using a sundial. It's making things uncompetitive. Teams pick knowing full well it is not their turn. Messages are left giving those before them permission to go ahead and re-draft them if they really want.It disuades those ahead of them from re-taking a player after they spoil the pick.
Hockeygoon/Brent are doing a great job. I am sure the job would be a lot easier if people actually made their picks.
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Hockeygoon/Brent are doing a great job. I am sure the job would be a lot easier if people actually made their picks.
Yeah, they are doing a great job even with all the skipped picks. But, I posted that over two weeks ago just as they joined the trade committee and smoothed things out.
Things would be a lot easier if you added a link to your free agents when there are three guys named Jesus Castillo on milb.com plus a request from the Commisioner and a rule is posted.
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Free Agency Rules Proposal
1) Winning bids must stand for 48 hours to sign a player.
2) A maximum of 6 winning bids are allowed at a time.
3) No modifying of bids is allowed. An edited bid is an invalid transaction.
4) A major league contract automatically trumps a minor league or minor league veterans contract regardless of the value.
5) Sufficient salary cap room must be available prior to making a bid on a player. Money acquired through trade cannot be used until after the trade has been approved with a passing vote from the trade committee.
6) The minors Prospect Contract minimum PC bid is $50k. The initial raise on an opening bid must be doubled. Raises thereafter must be a minimum of $50k until the contract reaches $5m wherein contract minimum raises are $200k.
7) The minors Veterans Contract minimum VC bid is $500k. The minimum raise of a VC bid is $100k.
8) The Majors Contract minimum bid is $400k. The minimum raise of a MC bid is $500k until the bid reaches $50m wherein minimum contract raises are $2m.
9) Free Agent subject titles should include the player's name, position and team if available. The body of the thread should include a link to the player at milb.com or baseball-reference.com to avoid confusion.
10) Any available player may be signed to a minor league contract.
Players with 0-2 years experience receive an unlimited Prospect Contract.
Players with 3-5 years experience receive a 2 year Prospect Contract.
Players with 6+ years of experience receive a 1 year Veterans Contract.
*Normal Arbitration rules apply if a player is placed on the 40 man roster.
(Intentionally circumventing the spirit of the rules may lead to suspension if deemed necessary by the league moderators)
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I combined and condensed the General Free Agency Rules and the Bidding Guidelines. A rule has been added to prevent illegal bidding with insufficient funds. Owners should probably decide if they want the ability to retract contracts or if a suspension should be enforced for changing bids. The rule below has been removed.
5) No minor league player under the age of 23 may be offered a major league contract.
*Removing this rule will allow rebuilding teams to add top prospects to their expanded 40 man roster and let them develop rather than having established teams stockpile younger players for large signing bonuses.
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“5) No minor league player under the age of 23 may be offered a major league contract.”
I think that rule should stay.
I hear your concern about established contending teams getting more prospects but if they are a contending team, that very likely means they have less payroll space than a rebuilding team so I don’t think the argument holds up.
What we don’t want is rebuilding teams offering 19yo kids 5 year MLB contracts in the hope that maybe they contribute in year 4 or 5 before hitting FA as a 24yo when they’re barely hitting the majors. That undermines the entire arbitration process and risks making the league less realistic.
Besides, I would argue that hurts rebuilding teams as getting a young player like that is way less useful long term than getting him on a PC bid. If a contending team decides to use their final 5M of cap space on a PC signing then that’s their choice, weighing present vs future winning. And if none of the rebuilding clubs want to outbid, well, the market dictates value.
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I respect your opinion and I know you've been in the league longer than I have. I was thinking these prospects could end up playing or be traded. Owners could risk putting them on waivers too and contending teams regardless of payroll seem less likely to use a major league roster spot. Also, there are current MLB players under 23 and even more under 25.
The Accountstros aren't the best example but his roster had "multiple" players with low arbitration salaries. He stockpiled prospects and was active in free agency. He would trade for a plethora of high draft picks and continue the cycle.
If teams aren't trusted to sign prospects to the majors then they shouldn't be able to trade picks. I just gave up three for DEATHERAGE.
I'm still interested in whether teams think we should be able to retract bids. The current rules allow you to edit or overbid and disqualify yourself. This can hinder the bidding. I would also vote to get rid of the Veterans Contracts and just sign the guys to minor league contracts with an invite to Spring Training.