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Fantasy Leagues => Franchise NHL: Transactions => Franchise NHL => NHL Leagues => Franchise NHL: Completed Transactions => Topic started by: PigsRule on September 04, 2012, 01:38:39 PM
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planning ahead here as we near what should be the Oct.11'12 start date for the 2012-13 NHL season but with no new CBA in sight...
we need to address several items:
1) 2012-13 Contracts - in the real NHL, all 2012-13 contracts remain valid in the event of a lockout/strike/cancellation. we'll need to get majority agreement but i propose all contracts get frozen in the event of a complete cancellation to the 2012-13 season (meaning contracts expiring in 2012-13 will be carried over to expire in 2013-14)... 1 key reason being extension start dates, values, calculation would be impacted if we don't freeze contracts.
2) FNHL Start Date - this is a given but i'll state it anyway, if the NHL season is delayed, all our FNHL dates are similarly pushed back or delayed until the real NHL sesaon begins (this includes the transaction freeze period plus the effective date for the new buy outs for retiring, non-NHL players).
3) Salary Cap Roll-back? - in the current CBA negotiations, there's serious talk of reducing the salary cap per team and rolling back to approx. $58m ... in the real NHL, teams and mgmt have plenty of means, tools to rollback salary including burying players in the minors + calling up a bunch of entry level contracts, shipping players overseas, etc. Since FNHL doesn't use waivers (to move players back n forth betw MLR and MilR) - cap rollback will be much more difficult to implement immediately given how teams have already spent during the offseason FA period or planned their budgets at the end of the 2011-12 seaosn... not to mention all the manual admin work to adjust team salaries, process player movement, etc.
If the 2012-13 NHL salary cap is rolled back, I proposed a FNHL vote to get buy-in on maintaining 2012-13 cap at $70.3m with a necessary FNHL cap rollback to take effect for the 2013-14 FNHL season. reason: we're not all full-time profsl'ers, nor are we paid full-time GMs who are expected to navigate new CBA cap requirements, so let's not force ourselves into urgent changes we don't have to make. fantasy play is meant to be fun, not stressful. :toast:
comments, opinions, rants... pl. post 'em!
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I am in agreement on all the things you have mentioned except for the cap freeze. If you look at the teams there are a large number with plenty of cap room left in the league. I really dont see an agreement happening that roles the salaries back to 58 million but could realistically see it moving to say 64/65million.
I have strategically been holding back on many of the players for bid and creating cap room for that very reason so why should teams that had foresight be penalized? I know there are other teams as well.
I also disagree with the idea that teams do not have the tools to get themselves cap compliant in that case. I have been able to drop Lecalvier with absolutely no cap hit for the next 4 years. If we find it is affecting more than half the league , maybe offer everyone a 1 time amnesty buyout option immediately or 1 free drop. something to that effect.
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full disclosure, this thread was not reviewed with co-commissioner hockeyfreak47 prior to it being posted...
pl note, upon reviewing quickly with him after it was posted, he disagrees with #1 (carrying 2012-13 contracts over to 2013-14 in the event the entire NHL season is cancelled).
hf47 may have other feedback to post on this subject... stay tuned.
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planning ahead here as we near what should be the Oct.11'12 start date for the 2012-13 NHL season but with no new CBA in sight...
we need to address several items:
1) 2012-13 Contracts - in the real NHL, all 2012-13 contracts remain valid in the event of a lockout/strike/cancellation. we'll need to get majority agreement but i propose all contracts get frozen in the event of a complete cancellation to the 2012-13 season (meaning contracts expiring in 2012-13 will be carried over to expire in 2013-14)... 1 key reason being extension start dates, values, calculation would be impacted if we don't freeze contracts.
I think that freezing them, as it is current NHL protocol, would make most sense. Those guys are paid to think about these situations, calculate the ramifications, and decide what is best. We don't need to reinvent the wheel.
2) FNHL Start Date - this is a given but i'll state it anyway, if the NHL season is delayed, all our FNHL dates are similarly pushed back or delayed until the real NHL sesaon begins (this includes the transaction freeze period plus the effective date for the new buy outs for retiring, non-NHL players).
Appropriate.
3) Salary Cap Roll-back? - in the current CBA negotiations, there's serious talk of reducing the salary cap per team and rolling back to approx. $58m ... in the real NHL, teams and mgmt have plenty of means, tools to rollback salary including burying players in the minors + calling up a bunch of entry level contracts, shipping players overseas, etc. Since FNHL doesn't use waivers (to move players back n forth betw MLR and MilR) - cap rollback will be much more difficult to implement immediately given how teams have already spent during the offseason FA period or planned their budgets at the end of the 2011-12 seaosn... not to mention all the manual admin work to adjust team salaries, process player movement, etc.
If the 2012-13 NHL salary cap is rolled back, I proposed a FNHL vote to get buy-in on maintaining 2012-13 cap at $70.3m with a necessary FNHL cap rollback to take effect for the 2013-14 FNHL season. reason: we're not all full-time profsl'ers, nor are we paid full-time GMs who are expected to navigate new CBA cap requirements, so let's not force ourselves into urgent changes we don't have to make. fantasy play is meant to be fun, not stressful. :toast:
comments, opinions, rants... pl. post 'em!
Brilliant
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Too bad you can't find a guy to sim the year with their EA NHL13.
Contracts should be put on ice.
As for a rollback. It would force teams to be creative but after reading some of the posts this doesn't seem like the league to do that.
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Contracts should be put on ice.
As for a rollback. It would force teams to be creative but after reading some of the posts this doesn't seem like the league to do that.
Hahaha well put PPG!
However, I would like to see a reduction in salary cap if the NHL/NHLPA does that in real life (Not really a matter of it, but WHEN!). It would make bonehead FA bids even more ridiculous and owners in this league making those types of silly bids could ruin their teams.
This isn't baseball folks, where you can hand out 10m contracts to a middle of the pack player... Malkin, Stamkos, Crosby, Lundqvist, Quick... okay sure they might be worth 11-14m per if they ever hit the FA market but that's never going to happen. But if the cap is reduced to say 60m, that would be 1/6th of your team's salary dedicated to one player! Again, unlikely given those high profile names, but it seems like guys love to overspend on FA's up in here, so it was just a wild example.
By the way, all the other suggestions make sense.
Freezing contracts seems pretty obvious - They're not getting paid. (Well, maybe the Montreal Canadiens will all get their full salaries this year, must be nice, hahaha)
The other suggestion of start date seems even more obvious.
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lol That would mess up the teams that spent like billionaires! I'd pay to watch the teams scraping their heads against the cap ceiling figure out how to cut salary. Let's vote to cut the cap if the NHL reduces cap.
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Such a bummer that the season looks like it'll be delayed if not canceled. Greedy owner bastards!
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NHL Lock-out officially in effect.
strange to see so many NHL GM handing out new longterm deals for big money yet their owners are crying poor yet again.
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Since last Saturday, $219.55M on 18 players according to capgeek
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Such a bummer that the season looks like it'll be delayed if not canceled. Greedy owner bastards!
It's both the owners and the players who are greedy. This doesn't hurt them at all. They are millionaires in most cases and the players can go to other leagues. This only hurts the fans of the NHL and the economy of the businesses like bars around venues, parking, vending sales, and etc. The jobs that are no longer needed are bad for the economy.
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It's the owners. Their GMs are the ones dishing out the cash. The players are just signing on the dotted line. You don't think eggheads like Holmgren, Sather, Lowe, Tambellini, Burke are responsible for jacking up player values?
Anyone else notice 3 Oiler or ex-Edmonton execs in that list. :P
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NHL Lock-out officially in effect.
strange to see so many NHL GM handing out new longterm deals for big money yet their owners are crying poor yet again.
Scrap the Salary Cap and throw in the Baseball model, spend what you want, but if you go over a set max, you pay a luxury tax. Teams like :NYR: and :TOR-NHL: could easily spend double what the current cap is, but teams like :PHO: are poor and struggle to reach the floor. Since the last Lockout, the cap has risen from 40 to 70M. 16 Players have contracts lasting at least a decade. Wild are saying they were poor, but spent huge money on 2 FA's. Bettman is a real piece of work too. The guy doesn't care, is going to cancel the Winter Classic and for sure the whole season. The guy is ruthless, wants players to take a 20% cut. The owners think they have all the leverage, but the players can just play oversees for this year. BTW, another option: Revenue sharing has worked out just fine in Baseball, it helps the struggling franchises and allows better parity throughout the league. This will also lead to high cap ceilings and higher player salaries in the long haul. A team like :TOR-NHL: would have no interest, but maybe it could work better than what they have now.