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Inflation.
Greedy fantasy players.
Overly wealthy but competitive FNHL owners.
All of the above have contributed to the increase in the league's minimum salary for skaters starting in 2018-19. All new minimum salaries signed for 2018-19 will reflect this and everyone with a $0.2m salary if not extended will be grandfathered as $0.2m.
NOTE: This decision has been undertaken after a lot of discussion with PR in the backroom with we keep the ice cold beer and other fun things to keep commissioners amused.
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This is an outrage! The NHLPA has gone too far this time!
I'm going to go out and hire scabs!
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Inflation.
Greedy fantasy players.
Overly wealthy but competitive FNHL owners.
All of the above have contributed to the increase in the league's minimum salary for skaters starting in 2018-19. All new minimum salaries signed for 2018-19 will reflect this and everyone with a $0.2m salary if not extended will be grandfathered as $0.2m.
NOTE: This decision has been undertaken after a lot of discussion with PR in the backroom with we keep the ice cold beer and other fun things to keep commissioners amused.
I thought this was a matter to be voted on?
Unless the sample size of response let the mods know it would never pass, it seems to me that changing rules on the fly without a vote puts some owners at a serious disadvantage as this is a money league.
What exactly I mean by that is we have different owners with different strategies some of which are long term and some short, particularly my strategy which often allows me to buyout players at 100k because of the minimum salary.
To not put this matter to a vote at the very least is an outrage for me at least all jokes aside.
Changing rules on the fly has an adverse effect. The free milr till 82 games was at least a voted topic. Still it screwed a strategy 3 years in the making and now this.
It seems that all these new rules are geared to enfisize drafting players and maybe some find it insulting that I'm able to compete while Crapting on the draft, but this isn't the league I joined anymore, and the rules have taken a drastic turn.
When rule changes are voted on, then it is what it is and I can accept that. A 300% increase on minimum salaries with no vote, it isn't fair, and that pisses me off.
I'm not one to hide my thoughts.
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Ok so whats the new minimum? The old is .2 are we going to .4? .6? I can only speak for my clubs. If you noticed maybe not but i only tweaked my teams a bit. I didnt go all in as i have in the past. My access cap is by design, my teams will bring up 1 to 2 players a season. This is the trend with the strong drafting NHL teams, i see no reason why FNHL would be any different. After all we do try to mirror the NHL way here when possiable. I admidt to using regular roster spots as an extended milr spot. I will have to review business after the rule change. If this is a move to slow or curve the FA spending i dont think it will. However all that said i do think Daddy's point about greater emphasis on the actual value of drafting is warranted. I know this is a vision of the comish from conversations i had with PR before I agreed to join the FNHL. In my opinion a decent milr roster not only adds value to a franchise but is a selling point as well. I know not everyone agrees with decisions (rule changes) made here, but i do know that any change is in the best interest of the FNHL as a league not to benefit or hurt any one franchise. Hope that all made sense.
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Just seen the .6 i stand by what i said
Noted
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Looking for a clarification.
Does this include both FA bids and extensions?
If so, shouldn't G FA also match extensions?
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That's going to put the squeeze on my team's wallet. I think the NHL is at 575K or 650K these days. Can't remember which.
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PPG hates the number 5 because its 1 short of a 6 pack. this is most likely how 6 got chosen.
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Looking for a clarification.
Does this include both FA bids and extensions?
If so, shouldn't G FA also match extensions?
This is starting in 2018-19.
The lowest salary for all players is 0.6m.
For Extensions, Skaters will be 0.6m and Goalies will continue to use 1.0m
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This is an outrage! The NHLPA has gone too far this time!
I'm going to go out and hire scabs!
The PA loves to up the low end.
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I thought this was a matter to be voted on?
Unless the sample size of response let the mods know it would never pass, it seems to me that changing rules on the fly without a vote puts some owners at a serious disadvantage as this is a money league.
What exactly I mean by that is we have different owners with different strategies some of which are long term and some short, particularly my strategy which often allows me to buyout players at 100k because of the minimum salary.
To not put this matter to a vote at the very least is an outrage for me at least all jokes aside.
Changing rules on the fly has an adverse effect. The free milr till 82 games was at least a voted topic. Still it screwed a strategy 3 years in the making and now this.
It seems that all these new rules are geared to enfisize drafting players and maybe some find it insulting that I'm able to compete while BooYah! ting on the draft, but this isn't the league I joined anymore, and the rules have taken a drastic turn.
When rule changes are voted on, then it is what it is and I can accept that. A 300% increase on minimum salaries with no vote, it isn't fair, and that pisses me off.
I'm not one to hide my thoughts.
You can be outraged.
Even when we vote you get POed so I just have to guess you're a tough guy to please.
But this fantasy game ain't about pleasing Daddy. That's a different fantasy! LOL
The minimum has been too low for 3 seasons now.
31 teams.
Immediately extensions to whip out bad contracts.
Plenty of good stuff to help owners build winning teams.
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This impacts everyone. So I don't see how there's an advantage or disadvantage.
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If this is a move to slow or curve the FA spending i dont think it will. However all that said i do think Daddy's point about greater emphasis on the actual value of drafting is warranted. I know this is a vision of the comish from conversations i had with PR before I agreed to join the FNHL.
Not related the FA. Owners will spend what they have and bidding wars will be intense in a league with 31 teams and no real geographic limitations or family needs vs player career needs. There's free movement.
This is about inflation and cost adjustment. Cap creeping up annually and the bottomend needs to catch up with the top end. Simple economics.
I know not everyone agrees with decisions (rule changes) made here, but i do know that any change is in the best interest of the FNHL as a league not to benefit or hurt any one franchise. Hope that all made sense.
You got it. We have a great league/product here. The min. salary of 0.2m is too low after 7 years. This is a cap league business decision.
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You can be outraged.
Even when we vote you get POed so I just have to guess you're a tough guy to please.
But this fantasy game ain't about pleasing Daddy. That's a different fantasy! LOL
The minimum has been too low for 3 seasons now.
31 teams.
Immediately extensions to whip out bad contracts.
Plenty of good stuff to help owners build winning teams.
I praise this league out loud more than anyone. There are many great things about it.
I also bang the table when something is unfair, wrong, or unacceptable imo. It's who I am, and I've been told opinions are welcomed, even if they are against the mainstream.
I believe when there is money on the line every rule change should be a proposal and voted on. If the mods didn't themselves have team's, then I would not object. However the mods are also gm's in this league, and because of that fact alone there should never be a change without majority vote.
It's not being po'd that should be highlighted as much as being fair to processes. The great thing about America is it is a democratic union of states. A lesson can be learned there.
People who are active gamblers should not have the power to change the rules of the gamble because they say so. It's the same reason why bud selig gave up the brewers. Imagine Roger Goodell owning the Cowboys, it's the same principal.
This should have been put to vote. If it passes, then it passes, but without a vote it's not right even if you explain what the two of you were thinking. Period.
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Bud Selig sighting in the FNHL? haha As a huge Brewers fan before the move to the NL Selig's daughter ran the team when her Dad became comish. She also ran the thing into the ground, it basically was an extra farm team for the rest of the MLB. We would develop a good player and instead of paying him they would send them packing to another team that could. many of the trades were garbage. 2005 was a blessing when they sold, I think more people went to White Sox games. so that brings me to my question. Was there a vote on Goalie contract extensions?
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Bud Selig sighting in the FNHL? haha As a huge Brewers fan before the move to the NL Selig's daughter ran the team when her Dad became comish. She also ran the thing into the ground, it basically was an extra farm team for the rest of the MLB. We would develop a good player and instead of paying him they would send them packing to another team that could. many of the trades were garbage. 2005 was a blessing when they sold, I think more people went to White Sox games. so that brings me to my question. Was there a vote on Goalie contract extensions?
League business decision to balance team cap and make goalie movement in the free market a reality.
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I praise this league out loud more than anyone. There are many great things about it.
I also bang the table when something is unfair, wrong, or unacceptable imo. It's who I am, and I've been told opinions are welcomed, even if they are against the mainstream.
I believe when there is money on the line every rule change should be a proposal and voted on. If the mods didn't themselves have team's, then I would not object. However the mods are also gm's in this league, and because of that fact alone there should never be a change without majority vote.
It's not being po'd that should be highlighted as much as being fair to processes. The great thing about America is it is a democratic union of states. A lesson can be learned there.
People who are active gamblers should not have the power to change the rules of the gamble because they say so. It's the same reason why bud selig gave up the brewers. Imagine Roger Goodell owning the Cowboys, it's the same principal.
This should have been put to vote. If it passes, then it passes, but without a vote it's not right even if you explain what the two of you were thinking. Period.
Thinking
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Owners can vote. Majority rules. Voting open 14 days. Each team counts for 1 vote. If you own more than 1 team, then you have more say.
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no
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POV
Here's my take as a commissioner.
Not only does FNHL give owners 30 roster spots, use of MiLR player in & out free without a contract, the min salary of 0.2m makes it too easy to sign random players at will and dump when they don't pan out.
A vote against the increase means you prefer things easier and less challenging is the way I see it. That doesn't sound like the group of owners we have in Franchise NHL!
How many 0.2m players do teams have on average?
8 on Carolina (new wave of ownership)
5 on LAK (Commissioner)
2 on BUF (newest FNHL owner)
2 on STL (2nd newest FNHL owner)
5 on FLA (Commissioner)
6 on TB (Daddy)
Random avg calculation: 4.8666 players have the current 0.2m min salary per team.
If we increase to 0.6m in 2018-19, thatll cost 1.8m more on avg. Doubt that hurts anyone. Definitely not a competitive edge for anyone.
That reads like basic cap league math.
Cap ceiling goes up.
10m in 4yrs.
But Min. player salary stays flat at a low of 0.2m?
Let's fix this already and move on.
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POV
Here's my take as a commissioner.
Not only does FNHL give owners 30 roster spots, use of MiLR player in & out free without a contract, the min salary of 0.2m makes it too easy to sign random players at will and dump when they don't pan out.
A vote against the increase means you prefer things easier and less challenging is the way I see it. That doesn't sound like the group of owners we have in Franchise NHL!
How many 0.2m players do teams have on average?
8 on Carolina (new wave of ownership)
5 on LAK (Commissioner)
2 on BUF (newest FNHL owner)
2 on STL (2nd newest FNHL owner)
5 on FLA (Commissioner)
6 on TB (Daddy)
Random avg calculation: 4.8666 players have the current 0.2m min salary per team.
If we increase to 0.6m in 2018-19, thatll cost 1.8m more on avg. Doubt that hurts anyone. Definitely not a competitive edge for anyone.
That reads like basic cap league math.
Cap ceiling goes up.
10m in 4yrs.
But Min. player salary stays flat at a low of 0.2m?
Let's fix this already and move on.
Here's my take an owner and someone who majored in economics many years ago (not that its worth anything really).
If raising the min salary doesn't hurt anyone or really force any tough choices, then why do it? This league has 31 teams. That is plenty of owners who cap and roster space to outbid a minimum contract. This league is competitive, our owners are competitive. The free market is what should set min contracts.
Who let Carolina sign Anders Bjork for 0.2m? I did...how foolish was I? And you did, and every other owner. It should be on league owners to not let anyone go for less than they are worth. With the creation of the supplemental draft, there should be even less minimum contracts out there. Most of those contracts go to guys who would be taken in a supp draft. Making the raise of the minimum contracts even less necessary.
The real issue here is extension prices. The cap goes up, real life player contracts are getting huge. but our extension prices aside from goalies have stayed level. Extension prices should force tough choices, more players should go to FA and be bid on in the free market.
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I like to see FAs get pulled onto rosters and booted out. This change hurts league activity... if it were easier to mirror the salary delta of the NHL for milr guys prior to call up and then the bump in pay to .6m when they make the NHL roster I would be for .6m
Bottom line imo league activity makes a league work. I believe this does diminish that for BO and roster fee hurt... so for that reason I'm out
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Ok seeing mostly likely it pass will our payroll for each team go up to off set the amount its increase to
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Ok seeing mostly likely it pass will our payroll for each team go up to off set the amount its increase to
I have nothing against it passing. I just don't think it fixes anything and just is a change for change's sake. I also don't like that it was initially made a rule without a vote.
I'm glad it will change it the owner's approval.
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Inflation.
Greedy fantasy players.
Overly wealthy but competitive FNHL owners.
All of the above have contributed to the increase in the league's minimum salary for skaters starting in 2018-19. All new minimum salaries signed for 2018-19 will reflect this and everyone with a $0.2m salary if not extended will be grandfathered as $0.2m.
NOTE: This decision has been undertaken after a lot of discussion with PR in the backroom with we keep the ice cold beer and other fun things to keep commissioners amused.
This is a small detail that helps with keeping the low end on par with the top end of our salary cap league.
There are generally no on-the-fly changes in FNHL. This would only take effect in 1 year.
Also, PPG broke down the impact cost, not significant enough to "hurt" any team.
I believe this is a reasonable update.
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well again the Goalie increase wasn't voted on, at least to the best of my memory. which doesn't say much. It was a sort of necessary
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I like to see FAs get pulled onto rosters and booted out. This change hurts league activity... if it were easier to mirror the salary delta of the NHL for milr guys prior to call up and then the bump in pay to .6m when they make the NHL roster I would be for .6m
Bottom line imo league activity makes a league work. I believe this does diminish that for BO and roster fee hurt... so for that reason I'm out
I don't believe this small bump affects someone willing to waste a roster spot on a speculative addition. For me, it was the extensions where teams were killing it. You can give a 2 year 1.4m contract, then bump them down to 0.2m the next year. This year, things have been different, you aren't getting any talent at minimum to begin with. I believe that shows how good the activity and competitiveness of the league as a whole is.
I am not sure how I will vote at this time, I will give it more thought before making that decision. On one hand, I like the old rule because its beneficially to people who like wasting roster spots. On the other hand, I know I can easily adjust and prepare for any minor cap changes. We do this every year.
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Ok seeing mostly likely it pass will our payroll for each team go up to off set the amount its increase to
this is the countering move to catchup with growing cap ceiling. Min salary has never been touched since the league was created in 2010.
short ans, no.
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this is the countering move to catchup with growing cap ceiling. Min salary has never been touched since the league was created in 2010.
short ans, no.
This is a non issue as I see it. Game On
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For what it's worth, here's my 2 cents as a relative new comer to this great league.
As PPG calculated, if on average only 5 players per team would be impacted by this minimum salary increase and the real cap cost is less than $2m it seems more than fair to allow the commissioners to go ahead as planned if it is to reflect the true low end of the salary spectrum.
Of course we can say if there's such a nominal impact then why make the change? Well, I don't run the league and I suppose we can have a free for all with no rules, but what fun would that be (tongue in cheek comment).
Also, someone mentioned the increase would hurt league activity. IMHO, this proposed change would do nothing to change my activity level or that of other owners as I've noticed many fantasy owners here are more than willing and ready to make moves regularly. It's what makes this league great and this change will be but an administrative change.
Ottawa Senators Owner
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My Chicago Blackhawks currently have 5 players with the league minimum contract:
Jay Beagle, $0.2m (2016-2018)
Gabriel Dumont, $0.2m (2016-2018)
Tyler Ennis, $0.2m (2017-2019)
Matt Bartkowski, $0.2m (2016-2018)
Josh Manson, $0.2m (2016-2018)
Most will earn extensions well over that amount.
As for finding and signing Free Agent prospects, the cost of $0.2 Million vs $0.6m seems insignificant. Of course, if a team were to buy out said player, the residual cost would be a small but more noticeable cost to carry at which point a team would be wise to trade said play or sign Free Agents more carefully which I believe is part of the goal of this exercise.
- DD
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Owners can vote. Majority rules. Voting open 14 days. Each team counts for 1 vote. If you own more than 1 team, then you have more say.
Update on voting after 3 days:
4 NOs - leave min. salary at 0.2m (since 2010)
18 YES - understand necessary update of min. salary 0.6m (starting 2018-19)
15 owners or 22 teams have voted.
9 more teams have yet to vote.
This factors in owners with multiple teams voting the same for all their teams.
Voting will remain open for 11 more days so get your votes in and have a say!
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Habs have 3 min wage players this year.
Not going to be a big dent to our wallet afterall even beyond this season. That's good news in Montreal.
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Both my Pens and Stars have 8 players each making less than $0.6m ... seems like a high number, but not sure.
Either way, I voted yes because it gets us closer to the NHL league minimum, which to me makes sense, as our salary cap ceiling follows that of the NHL. And yes, I realize we can't completely mimic the NHL ... this is a fantasy league after all ... but this seems to fit.
I'm glad we had the opportunity to vote as well. Thanks!
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Agree with what MCrow said.
It's good to have the opportunity to vote on a change that impacts cap in a cap league. I also voted Yes given how the 0.2m min salary seemed low given the league's MO to mirror all things good about the NHL.
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Both my Pens and Stars have 8 players each making less than $0.6m ... seems like a high number, but not sure.
Either way, I voted yes because it gets us closer to the NHL league minimum, which to me makes sense, as our salary cap ceiling follows that of the NHL. And yes, I realize we can't completely mimic the NHL ... this is a fantasy league after all ... but this seems to fit.
I'm glad we had the opportunity to vote as well. Thanks!
Taking it like a man! Good feedback man.
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Inflation.
Greedy fantasy players.
Overly wealthy but competitive FNHL owners.
All of the above have contributed to the increase in the league's minimum salary for skaters starting in 2018-19. All new minimum salaries signed for 2018-19 will reflect this and everyone with a $0.2m salary if not extended will be grandfathered as $0.2m.
NOTE: This decision has been undertaken after a lot of discussion with PR in the backroom with we keep the ice cold beer and other fun things to keep commissioners amused.
With 24hrs to vote the current score is
24 teams YES - agree to increase min salary from 0.2 to 0.6m for 2018-19
4 teams NO - want to keep/maintain the original 2010-11 FNHL min salary of 0.2m
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With 24hrs to vote the current score is
24 teams YES - agree to increase min salary from 0.2 to 0.6m for 2018-19
4 teams NO - want to keep/maintain the original 2010-11 FNHL min salary of 0.2m
Update with less than 24hrs til closing
With 24hrs to vote the current score is
25 teams YES - agree to increase min salary from 0.2 to 0.6m for 2018-19
4 teams NO - want to keep/maintain the original 2010-11 FNHL min salary of 0.2m
2 team have yet to vote!
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One NO voter writes
I probably would have voted.6m if not for reading other posts... and the pole wording seems a bit bias. Since it's nominal impact I say leave it so we see more strategic play and player movement towards the deadline.
What was biased in the wording. Pl clarify.
As plain as day!
If you voted NO - you wanted to keep the min salary cost at 2010 levels.
If you voted YES - you understand the need to keep the min. at current levels since we mirror the NHL's ceiling & floor.
In fact, the 2010 # is low. NHL's min salary was 500K in 2010-11.
http://www.puckreport.com/2009/07/nhl-minimum-wage-maximum-wage-by-year.html
Now lets see how many of the follower leagues copy the bump up. LOL
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One NO voter writes
What was biased in the wording. Pl clarify.
As plain as day!
If you voted NO - you wanted to keep the min salary cost at 2010 levels.
If you voted YES - you understand the need to keep the min. at current levels since we mirror the NHL's ceiling & floor.
In fact, the 2010 # is low. NHL's min salary was 500K in 2010-11.
http://www.puckreport.com/2009/07/nhl-minimum-wage-maximum-wage-by-year.html
Now lets see how many of the follower leagues copy the bump up. LOL
Vote NO if you're stupid and hate the league
Vote YES if you're a good boy and do what you're told.
I'm still glad I voted no and I'd do it again. I have no problems with the no league minimum and it won't impact my strategy. The most important thing to me is that we had a vote. And as I've said many times, we have a higher roster size than the 23 person NHL. So with the same cap, it makes sense that we had a lower minimum salary.
But anyway, at least this and done an over with. Now we can move on to the real conversation...extension prices...lol
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Vote NO if you're stupid and hate the league
Vote YES if you're a good boy and do what you're told.
I'm still glad I voted no and I'd do it again. I have no problems with the no league minimum and it won't impact my strategy. The most important thing to me is that we had a vote. And as I've said many times, we have a higher roster size than the 23 person NHL. So with the same cap, it makes sense that we had a lower minimum salary.
But anyway, at least this and done an over with. Now we can move on to the real conversation...extension prices...lol
LOL
I honestly don't like the voting system here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but anyone on the site could of voted yes. I prefer the reply style voting, so you know the voting process is doing its job and random people aren't voting. I'd even be fine if it were done by PM to keep it private.
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LOL
I honestly don't like the voting system here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but anyone on the site could of voted yes. I prefer the reply style voting, so you know the voting process is doing its job and random people aren't voting. I'd even be fine if it were done by PM to keep it private.
I voted yes, 4 times.
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LOL
I honestly don't like the voting system here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but anyone on the site could of voted yes. I prefer the reply style voting, so you know the voting process is doing its job and random people aren't voting. I'd even be fine if it were done by PM to keep it private.
I can see all the results. Only current FNHLers voted and owners with more than 1 team had their vote multiplied by the # of franchises they own.
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can I get 2 bacon cheeseburgers a large fry and a large coke
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Would you like to Supersize that for only 99¢.
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So this is a done deal for 2018-19 right!?
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Would you like to Supersize that for only 99¢.
I'm in!
and yes its a done deal for 18-19
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Yes