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Fantasy Leagues => NHL Leagues => Franchise NHL => Topic started by: AntMan on April 17, 2019, 05:36:00 PM
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Open Question carried here since the listed rules don’t appear to mention SDP EL contract value being different than Entry Draft NHL Position
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PsychoticPondGoons:
Be back later in the PM
Today at 05:23:05 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
PR & I are pretty good with answering all grey area matters.
Today at 05:22:54 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
whenever in doubt, post or PM the question
Today at 05:22:35 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
Let's make it a discussion thread gents
Today at 05:22:08 PM
halo99:
yeah i don't think I've ever seen that Blues guy on here
Today at 05:22:04 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
Got to run. Just want to address the question
Today at 05:21:44 PM
izaman3:
PPG, I know we already given you enough work around here, I don't want life to be more difficult for you :rofl: that's why we should stick to one set of ELC values
Today at 05:21:37 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
If not return by rollover, we will list the franchises for sale
Today at 05:21:00 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
PR & I will manage ANH & STL ... ANH is paid up
Today at 05:20:29 PM
halo99:
The Ducks guy was pretty active
Today at 05:20:10 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
SDP were meant to be fun, exciting and straightfwd to admin
Today at 05:20:00 PM
halo99:
What happened with the Anaheim and STL owners? Looks like they've gone MIA
Today at 05:19:51 PM
izaman3:
I think most GMs assumed all prospects, entry and supp had the same ELC values, and I think those values make sense, and it still rewards GMs for prospect research because undrafted players taken in the supp can get minimum contracts for 3 years
Today at 05:19:49 PM
blkhwkfn:
Use the easy button, it’s just easier
Today at 05:19:23 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
one ELC value is definitely straight fwd to process. no validation of draft position, ELC value range, posting accuracy, etc.
Today at 05:17:48 PM
izaman3:
It means all Entry and Supp players are subject to the same ELC values, and all players have their real life draft position listed there for you
Today at 05:16:24 PM
izaman3:
But if keep the same ELC values, your job is easier because you already list their real life NHL draft position for Supp players
Today at 05:15:16 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
the Supplemental draft prospects were to get a blanket ELC value to make my life processing them easier
Today at 05:12:52 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
I know when we created the Supplemental draft we didn't want to create another set of ELC values but also didnt feel the Enrty Draft ELC values were valid
Today at 05:11:54 PM
Jonathan:
I like the SDP, but its not really a supplement. :P
Today at 05:11:50 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
Combing thru the page
Today at 05:10:36 PM
Jonathan:
or at least need clarification.
Today at 05:07:47 PM
Jonathan:
yeah, seems like some of the rules in that section are outdated.
Today at 05:05:12 PM
AntMan:
Going to be a board topic I’d imagine
Today at 05:04:07 PM
AntMan:
It would be one thing if we put it in writing then occurances
Today at 05:03:16 PM
Jonathan:
in the rules
Today at 05:02:57 PM
Jonathan:
Once a player is removed from the MiLR they are ineligible to return to the MiLR.
Today at 05:02:45 PM
AntMan:
I don’t think there is liberty to adjust the rule without an open forum
Today at 05:02:43 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
more tools in the toolkit to use
Today at 05:02:11 PM
izaman3:
Also, if you draft a bust, you draft a bust. FNHL owners don't need easy bailouts for bad drafting
Today at 05:02:03 PM
AntMan:
The rules are clearly listed as NHL draft position-agree
Today at 05:01:49 PM
izaman3:
A team that drafted Griffen Reinhart can sign him as a FP, or to a 1 year deal then then extend him for the league minimum
Today at 05:01:09 PM
izaman3:
the loophole of buying out and redrafting with supp picks makes sense in the rules the way they are written, but supp drafted players are prospects and prospects get entry deals based on their real life NHL draft position, not where we drafted them
Today at 05:00:12 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
A good thing if a team drafts Griffen Reinhart at #4oa
Today at 04:59:41 PM
izaman3:
It almost make the entry level contracts less meaningful because they can all easily be changed to a league minimum
Today at 04:58:34 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
as we going thru 1 cycle of SDP maturing, we'll see the effect and if need be adjust/amend rules.
Today at 04:58:32 PM
Jonathan:
its same with Supp picks. It seems to be too easy to get FPs that way. No actually hitting on real picks.
Today at 04:58:07 PM
izaman3:
Yes, I that process and loophole is fine with me, but its not the same as entry level deals
Today at 04:57:30 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
with a benefit tied to it
Today at 04:57:23 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
Rd5 pick is a reward for Div Champs
Today at 04:56:59 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
Jonathan, yes - happened last yr
Today at 04:56:34 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
the teams that held a player on their active roster, then dropped/BO the prospect to draft them thru the Supplemental I know are happy with the process.
Today at 04:56:23 PM
Jonathan:
I can go in FA this year, pay whatever price for whatever prospect, and then he is a FP in round 5 draft.
Today at 04:55:34 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
how are FP watered down?
Today at 04:53:01 PM
Jonathan:
Yup, research and Franchise Players are watered down.
Today at 04:52:33 PM
izaman3:
It made my prospect research less valuable. I could have drafted Quinn Hughes at a minimum contract instead of Jimmy Schuldt
Today at 04:51:01 PM
Jonathan:
I'd like it better if only entry picks could be franchised and supp. picks wipe that out.
Today at 04:49:47 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
I like that we are increasing the value of prospects and picks overall.
Today at 04:49:15 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
So the champ gets rewards for his work
Today at 04:48:46 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
But it just made your prospect research more valuable
Today at 04:48:34 P
PsychoticPondGoons:
Izaman, that's a timing game & potentially makes top picks even more valuable.
Today at 04:48:01 PM
izaman3:
It doesn't really take any work or research for me to drop Quinn Hughes and redraft him with a Supp pick to save cap
Today at 04:46:54 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
that is a loophole that has appears now that we've almost completed our 2nd supplemental draft
Today at 04:46:26 PM
izaman3:
teams won't want to trade supp picks because most teams have a high drafted player they can just drop and draft with a supp pick
Today at 04:45:52 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
well, supplemental draftees are only of value if you do homework and find them
Today at 04:45:35 PM
izaman3:
I have no reason to sign Jack Hughes to a $3m entry contract when I can just wait for the supp draft, drop him and draft him for the league minimum, same with any other high drafted player
Today at 04:45:14 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
the rule with min. salary
Today at 04:44:42 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
discarded or overlooked prospectrs given a 2nd chance
Today at 04:44:27 PM
izaman3:
But with this rule, that's not what will happen
Today at 04:44:02 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
The supplement was meant to be the FNHL draft where gems are discovered
Today at 04:43:31 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
the PRO = high activity period after the Finals. Con = potential abuse, but we felt this would be limited as with most rules
Today at 04:42:43 PM
halo99:
I'd personally prefer that BOs not be allowed until after all the picks are in but honestly I don't care about it that much
Today at 04:42:18 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
PR & I discussed the pro's & con's
Today at 04:42:01 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
a few have asked via PM
Today at 04:41:11 PM
halo99:
Yeah that's why mine got traded to Detroit lol
Today at 04:40:26 PM
izaman3:
I have some concerns with that approach because it messes with values: that makes the supplemental draft much more valuable than the entry draft, it also makes round 2 supp picks more valuable than early round 1 picks, because early round 1 picks occur during a buyout freeze
Today at 04:39:29 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
sort of like the BO and draft thru Supplemental... :toast:
Today at 04:39:01 PM
halo99:
Interesting
Today at 04:38:48 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
it's for all you FNHL owners to enjoy as a benefit
Today at 04:38:13 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
To simply the ELC for prospects coming from the Supplemental draft, the FNHL league min. would be used across the board.
Today at 04:37:50 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
the Supplemental draft is an FNHL thing.
Today at 04:36:16 PM
halo99:
most supplemental picks wouldn't have been drafted high in the real draft so I guess that's why this has never occured to anyone
Today at 04:36:14 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
Yes FNHL entry draft prospects get EL contract based on NHL draft position
Today at 04:36:02 PM
izaman3:
That makes the supplemental draft much more valuable than the entry draft, it also makes round 2 supp picks more valuable than early round 1 picks, because early round 1 picks occur during a buyout freeze
Today at 04:35:32 PM
halo99:
Aren't the entry contracts based on the real draft though and not the FNHL draft?
Today at 04:35:01 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
wipes away the old
Today at 04:33:44 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
Supplemental draft washes the original
Today at 04:33:37 PM
izaman3:
Wait, any supplemental players get the league minimum gets a league minimum entry level deal? I thought all prospects receive their value based on their real life NHL draft position, not their FNHL draft postition, so wouldn't that mean Entry and Supp draft players are treated the same and given a deal based on their real life draft position?
Today at 04:28:49 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
Gears are always turning with this FNHL group of owners :toast::winner:
Today at 04:18:26 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
I saw the move. Up there with Izaman and Antman thinking. Watch out gents
Today at 04:17:47 PM
PsychoticPondGoons:
Mordecai PMed the Question. SDP prospects that mature and need an Entry Level deal get the league min. 0.6m skaters or 1.0 for goalies
Today at 04:17:21 PM
izaman3:
Yeah, everyone left is a lottery ticket; I just happen to like gambling
Today at 03:47:39 PM
AntMan:
That modacai is always looking forward
Today at 03:45:08 PM
AntMan:
Probably a good move, Brady at $6m would save him 1.5 per... verses drafting a 30% likely player with moderate ceiling
Today at 03:44:29 PM
izaman3:
I used a Franchise tag on a $2m Debrusk this year, and Montreal only had 1 player tagged last year, so who knows. I'm just guessing as it's the only thing that makes sense to me
Today at 03:28:39 PM
AntMan:
Got it, not sure I had Brad’s ceiling at Franchise tag but then again
Today at 03:23:24 PM
izaman3:
But since Montreal drafted him in the Supplemental draft, he should be eligible for an FNHL Franchise Player discount down the road
Today at 03:12:53 PM
izaman3:
No, he's still owed the full contract based on his real NHL draft spot, but he was originally drafted by Ottawa in FNHL, not Montreal
Today at 03:12:20 PM
AntMan:
He’s still due a contract on NHL draft slot.,. I think that one doesn’t work out for him... worth a gamble to see moderator reaction
Today at 02:50:18 PM
AntMan:
Not really addressed in the EL contract value... I’d think he’s still due the big salary at 82 games eligibility
Today at 02:46:25 PM
AntMan:
Are we thinking the SDP cancels the original draft position?
Today at 02:44:07 PM
DToxFan:
Just saw that. Slick move.
Today at 02:20:35 PM
izaman3:
Drafting Brady Tkachuk was so sly, why do I have to be up against such saavy GMs in the Atlantic? Mordecia is playing 4-D Chess over here
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I have lots of thoughts on this that I'll post a bit later but I just wanted this to get its own thread. I saw that Antman posted in the questions thread too. http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=40123.msg1402531#new (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=40123.msg1402531#new)
I think the rules are pretty clear that drafted players get ELC contracts based on real-life NHL draft position, and I assumed that to mean for entry draft prospects and supplemental prospects.
This is a discussion thread for GMs to post their thoughts, but I also added the poll so a GM could just give a simple vote if they don't want to type out their reasoning.
I made the poll so only PR and PPG can sell who voted for what. I wasn't sure if that mattered to anyone. I know how I'm voting.
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Maybe i am missing something on the EL value of a player thats in the minors. To me its pretty simple, no need to try to reinvent the wheel here. SDP specs have either NOT been drafted (passed over twice in the draft) or have been drafted by an NHL team abd not by an FNHL team. So a move releasing Brady Tkackuk and picking him up in SDP shouldnt change his value. He was still a TOP 5 pick in the NHL draft and thats his EL contract value. NOT a .6 for 3 years player. All in all it was just smoke rings.
Like i said maybe i am missing the point here but lets not piss in the wind here.
Just my 2 cents
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Real NHL Draft positions should apply. I think we are making this harder than it should be.
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Though this is a discussion... the decision is that yr 1 and current SDP prospects (those drafted in 2018 + 2019) get a standard 0.6m ELC for skaters and 1.0m for goalies. Draft position in the Supplemental or NHl entry draft are not a factor for the SDP.
If majority of owners want to alter that after this discussion sometime in the future it can be done.
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Actually the question was asked by a number of owners via PM and possibly on a thread for SDP or even here... PPG + myself have clarified for those who asked that ELC for Supllemental Draftees would be simplied to
0.6m Skaters
1.0m Goalies
The reason was because most are overagers, college prospects never drafted, late bloomers, so the use of FNHL league minimums was sufficient.
Of course, some creatuve owners have found resourceful ways to use SDP's with other FNHL tools... and PPG and I are fine with that for now. Have the discussion in the duscussion thread.
Not sure why this is happening in 2 places.
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FYI
Izaman + Antman threads merged... same discussion.
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Real NHL Draft positions should apply. I think we are making this harder than it should be.
PPG and I decided 2 yrs ago the SDP ELC would be the league minimum to standardize the process of graduating SDP draftees. There's a ton of work and I not going to make PPG take on more detail work verifying rank, yr, draft position, ELC salary ranges, spelling of name etc. The supplemental is meant to be fun not a new pile of admin.
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I sense there are owners who do not like the use of minimum wage for supplemental draft prospects but don't understand why. It benefits all of us equally does it not? No one has any special advantage, correct? What am I missing? We all drafted players we wanted which is the goal of the draft IMO.
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PPG and I decided 2 yrs ago the SDP ELC would be the league minimum to standardize the process of graduating SDP draftees. There's a ton of work and I not going to make PPG take on more detail work verifying rank, yr, draft position, ELC salary ranges, spelling of name etc. The supplemental is meant to be fun not a new pile of admin.
:iatp:
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I sense there are owners who do not like the use of minimum wage for supplemental draft prospects but don't understand why. It benefits all of us equally does it not? No one has any special advantage, correct? What am I missing? We all drafted players we wanted which is the goal of the draft IMO.
100% agree. Not sure why some want to reinvent the wheel.
Now if there is a tweek to add it would be once you Buy Out a player or release him from milr you cant attempt to resign or redraft for a season. Unless you reaquire said player through trade.
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PPG and I decided 2 yrs ago the SDP ELC would be the league minimum to standardize the process of graduating SDP draftees. There's a ton of work and I not going to make PPG take on more detail work verifying rank, yr, draft position, ELC salary ranges, spelling of name etc. The supplemental is meant to be fun not a new pile of admin.
I understand that this was decided 2 years ago, but I don't get why it wasn't put into the rules or explained to the GMs. If this was decided two years ago, it shouldn't be such a surprise.
I don't want to make PPG take on more work, but he is already verifying draft positions when he is adding the players to our rosters. Ever player taken in a supp draft has their real life draft position listed if they were drafted or it says UNDRAFTED. So it does not seem like an extra step to me. I could be wrong, but if so, I am willing to volunteer to do the extra admin work.
I sense there are owners who do not like the use of minimum wage for supplemental draft prospects but don't understand why. It benefits all of us equally does it not? No one has any special advantage, correct? What am I missing? We all drafted players we wanted which is the goal of the draft IMO.
I agree that it does benefit all the owners, but all the owners aren't aware this was the rule. Many were under the assumption that all MiLR players were subject to the same ELC values whether they were entry level or supplemental players. And actually, I think it is giving some teams a special advantage. The point of higher salaries for higher drafted players is that they are usually better players who score higher and should be paid more money. If not, then why do we have ELC values at all? All prospects should be eligible for the league minimum.
With this ruling, during year's supplemental draft, the entire second round could be teams dropping whoever they drafted first in the previous year's entry draft and then selecting them again in the supplemental. This creates tons of more admin work for PPG. because he would have to process all the drops and then edit the players as supplemental picks. It also means that Jack Hughes, Kaapo Kakko, Bowen Byram, and all the other top 2019 entry draft players will be signing to league minimum contracts instead of the $3m or $2.5m a year that they should be making. At that point, why should we even have ELC values?
It also creates an incentive for all teams to keep their Supplemental draft picks instead of trading them. Why would you trade a supplemental draft pick when you can save $2m in cap space on your top prospect? That will eliminate some of the excitement and activity that the supplemental draft has created.
Because many GMs will be incentivized to use their supplemental picks on highly rated, already drafted players, it also eliminates the excitement of the prospect research and efforts for GMs to find diamonds in the rough during the supplemental draft. Players I'm after keep getting taken by other GMs, and I'm sure that I'm taking people that other teams want. That is part of the fun. But instead, what is likely to happen is that many teams will simply redraft players already in their system.
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See my post. Once you drop a player or buy him out you are done with that player. You cant redraft or bid on him. Seems a simple rewording is in order. I can say i am not seeing this still.
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See my post. Once you drop a player or buy him out you are done with that player. You cant redraft or bid on him. Seems a simple rewording is in order. I can say i am not seeing this still.
100% agree. Not sure why some want to reinvent the wheel.
Now if there is a tweek to add it would be once you Buy Out a player or release him from milr you cant attempt to resign or redraft for a season. Unless you reaquire said player through trade.
I would support that change. I think it could solve this issue completely. But I also think it is reinventing the wheel to have too different prospect pay scales, we already have ELC values based on real life draft position, we already have those real life draft positions listed for our players. That seems pretty simple to me.
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Though this is a discussion... the decision is that yr 1 and current SDP prospects (those drafted in 2018 + 2019) get a standard 0.6m ELC for skaters and 1.0m for goalies. Draft position in the Supplemental or NHl entry draft are not a factor for the SDP.
If majority of owners want to alter that after this discussion sometime in the future it can be done.
Devils advocate or whatever here but the only rule for prospect contracts written indicated nhl draft position. Nothing else exists related to contract rules.
I think the decision should go into writing before practice; feels like proper sequence else we’re offering a private advantage
I agree with the Hawks fan this is small as it’s only to the benefit of one team and easily reversed.
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In most leagues I have been part of, if there is missing information or something is unclear, it becomes the responsibility of the commissioner to render a decision.
I didn't see it in writing but I PM'ed PPG amd was informed of the EL contract for SDP players.
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I'll put my 2 cents in I guess for what it's worth.
I'll start by saying I really don't care about this that much one way or the other. Whatever PPG & PR decide to do I'm on board with. That being said I know for me personally I never had any reason to believe that the contract values would be different for the SUP draft than the FNHL entry draft. The reason being is the ELC's were always tied to the real NHL draft and not the FNHL draft. I could have the first overall pick in the FNHL draft and if I decided to take a guy drafted in the 6th round in the real draft his contract would be the minimum and not 3.0m. So I really had no reason to believe the rules would be different for the SUP draft and honestly I'm sure most people would have just assumed it's the same because we had no reason to believe otherwise because it's spelled out in black & white that ELCs are tied to the real draft.
Personally I think the rule regarding SUP ELCs should be effective starting next draft unless it was spelled out in writing ahead of time. I understand why the mods would want it and I really can't blame them for that.
Like I said just my 2 cents this is the last thing I'll say about it.
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I would support that change. I think it could solve this issue completely. But I also think it is reinventing the wheel to have too different prospect pay scales, we already have ELC values based on real life draft position, we already have those real life draft positions listed for our players. That seems pretty simple to me.
:iatp: yep
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This seems like a charged discussion led by a few owners. Sounds like Wirtz, Ballard and Snider. :rofl:
If this is an issue which I do not believe ia the case, here's a remedy. Why complicate this situation. I say just prevent Buyouts and releases during the supplemental draft. Put another way, impose a transaction freeze during the Supplemental so that teams cannot drop and draft. Colorado has been pushing that strategy to the max. Detroit was the first to use it last year. I thought it was funny and weird both the Avs and Wings are so upset suddenly.
But is there any real benefit that tips the scales in fav of a team that employs that drop and draft strategy. Not that I can see. It's perception by a few.
One players doesn't make a team. Just ask LA who owns McDavid or better, ask the NHL's Oilers. :rofl:
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I understand that this was decided 2 years ago, but I don't get why it wasn't put into the rules or explained to the GMs. If this was decided two years ago, it shouldn't be such a surprise.
I don't want to make PPG take on more work, but he is already verifying draft positions when he is adding the players to our rosters. Ever player taken in a supp draft has their real life draft position listed if they were drafted or it says UNDRAFTED. So it does not seem like an extra step to me. I could be wrong, but if so, I am willing to volunteer to do the extra admin work.
I agree that it does benefit all the owners, but all the owners aren't aware this was the rule. Many were under the assumption that all MiLR players were subject to the same ELC values whether they were entry level or supplemental players. And actually, I think it is giving some teams a special advantage. The point of higher salaries for higher drafted players is that they are usually better players who score higher and should be paid more money. If not, then why do we have ELC values at all? All prospects should be eligible for the league minimum.
With this ruling, during year's supplemental draft, the entire second round could be teams dropping whoever they drafted first in the previous year's entry draft and then selecting them again in the supplemental. This creates tons of more admin work for PPG. because he would have to process all the drops and then edit the players as supplemental picks. It also means that Jack Hughes, Kaapo Kakko, Bowen Byram, and all the other top 2019 entry draft players will be signing to league minimum contracts instead of the $3m or $2.5m a year that they should be making. At that point, why should we even have ELC values?
It also creates an incentive for all teams to keep their Supplemental draft picks instead of trading them. Why would you trade a supplemental draft pick when you can save $2m in cap space on your top prospect? That will eliminate some of the excitement and activity that the supplemental draft has created.
Because many GMs will be incentivized to use their supplemental picks on highly rated, already drafted players, it also eliminates the excitement of the prospect research and efforts for GMs to find diamonds in the rough during the supplemental draft. Players I'm after keep getting taken by other GMs, and I'm sure that I'm taking people that other teams want. That is part of the fun. But instead, what is likely to happen is that many teams will simply redraft players already in their system.
With all due respect, as vocal as you are, Detroit was to my recollection the first team to drop & draft during the inaugural supplemental. Goalie Larson I think. Ironically you opened the door that others are walking through now.
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With all due respect, as vocal as you are, Detroit was to my recollection the first team to drop & draft during the inaugural supplemental. Goalie Larson I think. Ironically you opened the door that others are walking through now.
I thought both ideas were creatively delivered by Mordacai. Not sure but back to point of conversation
I think I’m ok with the supplemental draft providing Montreal franchise ability for the player. I just see the prospect contract rules are clearly posted (not grey or in need of interpretation) so I do not agree with signing a player on a different pay scale until after the rule is announced/introduced to the entire league.
If we start the rule after the draft I’m very cool with the change; level playing field for all.
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With all due respect, as vocal as you are, Detroit was to my recollection the first team to drop & draft during the inaugural supplemental. Goalie Larson I think. Ironically you opened the door that others are walking through now.
:rofl: You are 100% right, I was the first team to buy out then draft a supplemental player. But I think those are two different doors that people are combining. Though I drafted re-drafted him in the Supp draft, I always expected to pay Larsson an ELC value based on his draft position because the written rules seem pretty clear to me with no grey area.
At the end of the day, I trust the way PR and PPG run the league and whatever they want to do is fine. The reason that I'm being so vocal is because I care rules and having things clearly layed out for all GMs. Currently, buying out a player and drafting them again is allowable in the rules. This supp draft player contract was never outlined or added to the Contracts page. Because ELCs for entry draft players are determined by real life draft position, I had no reason to believe any different for supp players.
I'm going to shut up about this now because I'm sure plenty of owners are getting tired of me and all my :bla: :bla: :bla:
I was never actually upset, just surprised and trying to clarify the thought process. I think in a 31-team league, the best money league on the site, there is plenty of room for discussion and disagreement.
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As much as I dislike the Montreal franchise, I think Mordecai checked his facts and followed a process of due diligence to execute his plan :puke: Chunks came up while I was being nice about :puke::MON-NHL:
PPG & PR posted clarification.
I have to agree a standard ELC for SDP works.
It's time to move past this guys.
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The opinon of the Vancouver GM
Is that MiLR players should be allowed to be dropped and then re-supplement picked if that GM wants to, but then that player has to be automatically signed to roster contract.
As stats in the MiLR rules: Once a player is removed from the MiLR they are ineligible to return to the MiLR.
The player contract should be league minimum, unless the said player has previously been drafted in the FNHL draft, then that player undergoes the same rules as of the ELC Contract Value.
All GM's are responsible to check if said player was drafted in the FNFL Entry Draft, as this is easily done seeing as all the drafts have a link in the rules page. Therefore not putting further work on PR and PPG.
You can always just put the player on a 1 year contract, and take the overpayment salary for a year, until he reaches his true value or below it.
Plus that of Franchise Tags i be fine allowing Supplement picks having them, as long as the player haven't been drafted in the FNFL Entry Draft by another team, if they have they are ineligible unless they meet the last of the two Franchise Tag Rules, that states:
(B) Plays for same NHL team as FNHL team or if that team dracted then first in the FNHL draft
For me for every supplement player to have a set minimum contract if previous drafted or not, will just open the door for all high picked prospects to be dropped then re-supplement picked by their respective teams and to use a loophole to gain Salary advantage of 4-10% over a 2 year period if do it with 4 prospects, 2 per year, which for some teams could be 3 1st Round prospects).
Which in my view is cheating the Salary Cap Idea of the league.
Plus the Supplement Draft was first put forward to give a chance to find non drafted players, and add them to the MiLR roster instead of using up valuable main roster space
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I get what you're saying Dazfoster. But the mods have stated they want to make the supplemental draft a streamlined process to implement and administer. I've been here a year and can see half the owners do not post contracts accurately.
There's also comments about cutting around the higher range ELC's with drop and draft during the supplemental but from what I've found in the history of this league, haven't a number of owners done that regularly by signing a top draftee to a 1yr ELC when they are not even close to reaching the NHL only to extend them for the league minimum.
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To be clear, my San Jose Sharks have no top picks in our MiLR nor do we have any top pick this year in the entry draft. We have benefitted from the drop and draft tactic this year.
I've run a few leagues in my time and this one has much more manual processing than most so if the mods want to limit the manual processing, I don't blame them and trust their doing it for the good of all AND avoid burn. I don't think they get any cash from the pool for the work they put in so we should ease up on the demands for a real life experience because they might just send us a big bill for their time.
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Plenty of valid points raised.
It is a challenge to update all instances where a rule touches other rules (example: more than 80% of our rules impact contracts and conditions of contract types/situations).
Looking ahead, we can vote to see how owners feel about a transaction freeze during the Supplemental Draft in the future.
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As much as I dislike the Montreal franchise, I think Mordecai checked his facts and followed a process of due diligence to execute his plan :puke: Chunks came up while I was being nice about :puke::MON-NHL:
PPG & PR posted clarification.
I have to agree a standard ELC for SDP works.
It's time to move past this guys.
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