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Fantasy Leagues => Franchise NHL: Transactions => Franchise NHL => NHL Leagues => Franchise NHL: Completed Transactions => Topic started by: Jonathan on January 28, 2013, 11:10:57 PM
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can you post what team is making these bids?????????????????
jan29-13: post and subsequent posts split from FA bidding thread for L.Petrell.
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can you post what team is making these bids?????????????????
:CLG: or :EDM: or :STL-NHL: !!!!!!!
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:CLG: or :EDM: or :STL-NHL: !!!!!!!
that is my point, not fair for others, as your controlling so many teams.
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Yes post who you are bidding for
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that is my point, not fair for others, as your controlling so many teams.
i'm not sure how it's "not fair" for teams that the league controls to acquire assets?
you mean you prefer a league where unfilled teams remain inactive and make FA bidding in a deep pool easier?
can you expand on your point.
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Yes post who you are bidding for
it's above.
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i'm not sure how it's "not fair" for teams that the league controls to acquire assets?
you mean you prefer a league where unfilled teams remain inactive and make FA bidding in a deep pool easier?
can you expand on your point.
wow, after those ridiculous comments, there is nothing I need to say.
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:CLG: or :EDM: or :STL-NHL: !!!!!!!
You need to clarify which team your bidding for. If it is a piece to a good team, other GMs may bid it up but say Calgary is after the player we would probably let it be.
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You need to clarify which team your bidding for. If it is a piece to a good team, other GMs may bid it up but say Calgary is after the player we would probably let it be.
drew, why would teams "allow" the un-owned teams to "win by default" these FA players?
we want Franchise NHL to be competitive and resources to be bid on as the market dictates. why would we want to artificially depress FA bidding values?
any team that wants to bid on an FA player, please do so.
that is the point of a free market, right ppl.
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per my side-bar with Drew, i'll post the FNHL League Owned team bidding on the FA.
although it shouldn't matter which team is bidding since it is an open market and player values should be dictated by supply and demand versus empathy for an opponent (keep in mind all FNHL League Owned teams won their week 1 match-ups), the identity of the bidding team will be attached to be bid moving fwd.
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I guess I would want to know which team my Sens are potentially bidding against out of curiosity. Then we would know how much cap they have and what we should bid.
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Not that my opinion matters much on this since I wont be here for much longer(just running things until new ownership is found). Its been my experience that league run teams should refrain from any trading activities. it almost always leads to issues.
A league run team should be about setting lines, maintaining the current team , extending players on the team until a new owner can be found.
Any strategic moves (FA signings, trades, buyouts, etc) should be reserved for when new ownership is found.
If teams are going unfilled for entire seasons than the league needs to look at the idea of a contraction draft.
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that's one
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Its been my experience that league run teams should refrain from any trading activities. it almost always leads to issues.
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imo, either way there will be those who hate the decision. i am taking the approach that this is competitive, all teams compete for resources, otherwise there's no real pt to a 30 team league is there.
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If teams are going unfilled for entire seasons than the league needs to look at the idea of a contraction draft.
definitely no contraction... there are plenty of 6, 12, 14, 18, 20, 22 team leagues around this site and others. why do the same.
i join FNHL and also accepted to organize this season because i believe in a 30-team league.
listen, there's always a teething process for everything... including fantasy hky.
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Simply it is a conflict of interest for a commissioner to own a team and run other teams. Setting lineups is fine but otherwise I don't believe a league run team should be making trades/signing free agents/releasing players/etc. that should be the decision of the new GM that gets signed on.
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drew,
30-team league w/30-player active rosters are a different beast than most other FH leagues.
UN-OWNED TEAMS LOSE OUT
un-manned teams (as well as mis-managed teams) will suffer and the league will be polarized, the Haves VS Have Nots.
KEEPING TEAMS ATTRACTIVE + ACTIVE
also, to keep teams attractive for potential new members - they have to stay ultra competitive and acquire resources. competitive means owning a winning record if possible.
IF TEAMS DON"T STAY ACTIVE
otherwise, no one wants the un-manned teams, the league contracts, more teams exit ... then eventually a league folds ... remember Rebel, that NHL SIM league?
BTW... if you (or anyone) would like to help out with line-up setting for 1 of the 4 teams, that would be most helpful.
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I know when I took over the Blues, the FA before, I lost all my talent due to a dead owner and it put that franchise in a bad spot, where I had to overpay for talent just to field a team. Losing the talents of guys like backes, pietrangelo and so forth with no return and no additions killed that franchise. I think a Commish as an acting GM is just overkill. The former Commish's are the reason why some teams are the way they are and they knew what was going on. We just need to find new GM's. The former commish did way too little and this one is trying to do way too much.
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what's new ... you're venting, but on the fence.
but i hear ya. fair enough.
-everyone's happy but no one's happy.
-want a healthy league, all teams remain active. simple concept.
-want a championship to be meaningful, play against competitive rosters.
Jonathan, moving fwd can you inject some constructive comments along with your usual feedback. thx
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IF TEAMS DON"T STAY ACTIVE
otherwise, no one wants the un-manned teams, the league contracts, more teams exit ... then eventually a league folds ... remember Rebel, that NHL SIM league?
Thanks for the personal attack there. Rebel was contracted due to the exact reason why this league doesn't work. 30 teams is too many GMs to keep active. Also after contraction of Rebel that league is doing great so not folded, eh. The NHL Sim league was cut due to the time restraint on me to sim games not active GMs but thanks for your constructive criticism of my former leagues. But maybe think about it before you play the blame game.
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Thanks for the personal attack there...
there's nothing personal about it.
the pt that u failed to grasp in that post was that you invited people to join something, then in the middle of the season cancelled or changed the rules drastically... after which ppl left because it wasn't what they signed up for.
ppl spend time on these fantasy leagues.
they're meant to be fun... but competitive.
personally, i expect stability with a league's rules + set-up.
is that not your experience as well?
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there's nothing personal about it.
How is nothing personal about it? You addressed it towards me and then went on to give blatant lies about two leagues I commissioned.
Rebel is a league that brings the 3rd amount of traffic to the site for hockey. It was contracted for the exact reasons why Franchise has had problems through its entire existence, inactivity of teams. Instead of wasting time and beating around the bush, I decided it would be best for the league to be contracted and now it is a successful league here on the site. Obviously there is something you don't like about or some deep buring bitterness but you can't deny that contraction worked and the league is perfectly fine.
NHL Sim as I stated before became too time consuming for me. I pulled the plug because who wants to spend 3 hours a day doing administrative work on a league.
the pt that u failed to grasp in that post was that you invited people to join something, then in the middle of the season cancelled or changed the rules drastically... after which ppl left because it wasn't what they signed up for.
Sorry that you joined a league and didn't like it. But things have to be done to ensure the success of the league. I do my leagues democratically and for the best intentions of the league. Obviously your bitterness of not getting exactly what you wanted with those leagues is shining through yet again.
Let me ask you this. How many rules have you changed in this league since you have taken over as commissioner?
UN-OWNED TEAMS LOSE OUT
- Yes they do and that is simply because they are unowned, most times this is due to not having lineups set and not that they need to make trades and sign free agents. In the first year of this league, the Minnesota Wild were unowned for the first 3-4 weeks and lost all those games, I came in and won the league that year by making moves myself, not joeshome making trades and everything for me.
KEEPING TEAMS ATTRACTIVE + ACTIVE
- You have to keep your league attractive and active. I first came to Franchise because I was attracted to the league as well as the site. The team was available and that is the reason I took them, not by the way the team was constructed. I knew with the right moves I could do what I wanted with the team. I would expend the players I don't like and move in players I do like. Right now the attraction of this league is low as it has been since last season. That is due to the drama that happens in this league whether it be joeshome freaking out over the rule changes or the harsh punishments being levied on him, the commissioner pointing out who sucks, the constant changing of GMs, or even bad trades from the past (which obviously no one can ever get over).
Now with all that being said, obviously the topic of this question of integrity. By you running 4 teams in one league is a question of integrity and whether it is the right thing you should be doing, is it really looking out for the best interest of the league that you run 4 teams or is it the best interest of the league for you to set lineups and do some recruiting for the open teams instead of trying to trade the players they have. It is in the best interest of the league for you to increase the attractiveness of the league so that people want to be here, not just have been here.
Now if you wish to call into question my integrity, you better come up with better reasons than you have up there.
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the good news is FNHL Owned Teams have winning records after 2 wks.
That bodes well for potential new owners stepping in.
:CLG: 2-0
:EDM: 2-0
:WIN: 1-1
:DET-NHL: 1-1 (wk1 loss was due to previous inactive owner not setting line-up all wk)
even the :VAN: which features a new owner since the start of the season is staying competitive this season at 1-1.
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if i wanted to loosely associate bits of info... i would probably say that ...
in the Division that Drew's former team :MIN-NHL: competes in we can note these points of interest:
FNHL NorthWest
(http://i48.tinypic.com/vq3crb.jpg)
:CLG: is FNHL owned after Sportsdoc55 departure
:EDM: is FNHL owned " SizzRat "
:COL-NHL: upset Drew vetoed their trade proposal + since tanked WK2 (we'll address that matter)
:VAN: features a new knowledgeable, highly active owner after Corey stepped down leaving a roster of 15/30 spots (today they have 27/30 roster spots filled)
not letting unowned teams sit passively managed while awaiting a dedicated owner(s)... that would be viewed as healthy competition in most leagues + the right thing to do in a rehabilitating league that needed some stricter rule enforcement + entry requirements.
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I'd hardly attribute those wins to great hockey knowledge, 3 out of those 4 wins were against teams w/illegal rosters, days they accrued no points, as a matter of fact, Calgary won week 1 with a score of 86.7 - 0.
the good news is FNHL Owned Teams have winning records after 2 wks.
That bodes well for potential new owners stepping in.
:CLG: 2-0
:EDM: 2-0
:WIN: 1-1
:DET-NHL: 1-1 (wk1 loss was due to previous inactive owner not setting line-up all wk)
even the :VAN: which features a new owner since the start of the season is staying competitive this season at 1-1.
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pt taken, winter.
however the pt to be made is about unowned teams remaining competitive, thus more attractive to a new owner who is considering joining the league.
no one wants a dynasty team in the hole, lacking assets + looking neglected.
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So you can pull a cockblock on the FA signing if it's a rival. LOL
Nice!
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[quote author=PigsRule link=topic=84747.msg469698#msg469698 date=1360026373
Wrong, you should be setting roster only, not trading with your influence as to your liking to suit the team, outside of setting roster I believe if for anything ethics involved should prohibit that. It has nothing to do with being competitive or attractive to a new owner, the direction of the team should be taken by the new team owner as to his liking, not yours. Setting a roster should be your sole obligation.
pt taken, winter.
however the pt to be made is about unowned teams remaining competitive, thus more attractive to a new owner who is considering joining the league.
no one wants a dynasty team in the hole, lacking assets + looking neglected.
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Wrong, you should be setting roster only, not trading with your influence as to your liking to suit the team, outside of setting roster I believe if for anything ethics involved should prohibit that. It has nothing to do with being competitive or attractive to a new owner, the direction of the team should be taken by the new team owner as to his liking, not yours. Setting a roster should be your sole obligation.
Sounds like you're calling someone unethical.
If anything this league has been very well run from my point of view. The commissioners have been on the ball since the new duo took charge last summer.
That said I trust what's being done to improve the teams and the league. It's clearly in better shape now than anytime since I joined in 2011.
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Wrong, you should be setting roster only, not trading with your influence as to your liking to suit the team, outside of setting roster I believe if for anything ethics involved should prohibit that.
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i feel this is a shades of grey kinda deal.
there'll always be 1 side that's not happy with what's being actioned - or not.
do you believe un-owned teams with pending key UFA's (like goalies or stud fwds) would want the league to step in to automatically resign their players instead of letting them walk? it starts to look bad for the league, commish and makes the other ppl feel the league is somewhat neglected when that happens.
here's what happens when commissioners only set line-ups:
vacant teams lose key UFAs
vacant teams don't / can't complete/bid on avail key UFAs
owned teams get "richer"
vacant teams get "poorer"
league is polarized
league faces contraction or folds.
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*i'm working to recruit strong owners + keep the ones who are dedicated to growing this league (just look at the owners list on the homepage and see who's new for 2012-13) (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=85599.0).
*guys who are fantasy gamers and wanna win!
*i'm not simply looking to fill opens with joeblow from the waiting list because that's proven to be painful for a variety of profsl leagues.
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i feel this is a shades of grey kinda deal.
there'll always be 1 side that's not happy with what's being actioned - or not.
do you believe un-owned teams with pending key UFA's (like goalies or stud fwds) would want the league to step in to automatically resign their players instead of letting them walk? it starts to look bad for the league, commish and makes the other ppl feel the league is somewhat neglected when that happens.
here's what happens when commissioners only set line-ups:
vacant teams lose key UFAs
vacant teams don't / can't complete/bid on avail key UFAs
owned teams get "richer"
vacant teams get "poorer"
league is polarized
league faces contraction or folds.
... :(
*i'm working to recruit strong owners + keep the ones who are dedicated to growing this league (just look at the owners list on the homepage and see who's new for 2012-13) (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=85599.0).
*guys who are fantasy gamers and wanna win!
*i'm not simply looking to fill opens with joeblow from the waiting list because that's proven to be painful for a variety of profsl leagues.
:iatp:
I'm fine with how the unowned teams are being managed as long as they don't trade with Florida or PHX. :thumbsup:
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i feel this is a shades of grey kinda deal.
Whoa when did this turn into a soccer mom's porn discussion?
It is decided, in order to bid on players you need to let some old dude tie you up and whip you while a midget rides on your back and stuff a rubber chicken in your mouth.
My assumption is it looks something like this.
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