Rule Change Discussions

[Jss0062]

Just out of curiosity, is the league experiencing major problems from this "tanking" situation? Like real life, are teams not being competitive purposely so they can compete later?

In real life a team still has to be fielded.

[chrisetc21]

One more thing I wanted to discuss is the DL.  Right now we can only place people on the DL that are on the MLB 60 day DL.  I think this is flawed.  MLB teams only place people on the 60 day when they need to clear 40 man roster space, it really doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the severity of the injury.  Right now, if a player is out for the season in our league he cannot be put on the DL unless the corresponding MLB org puts him on the 60 day DL.  I think we should change this.  If a player is out for the year in our league he should be allowed to placed on the 60 day DL.  The only caveat I would add is that once you add someone who is declared out for the season to the 60 Day DL he cannot be reinstated for that season. 

[chrisetc21]

I tried to tighten up some of the signing rules so they're easier to read.  Please look them over.

Free Agency Rules
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=131562.0

International Free Agency Rules
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=159576.0

[ldsjayhawk]

Every league that has a DL requires the player to be out on the DL by the MLB team.  Why are we trying to change basic rules?  Who is going to make the determination that the player is out for the season?  or do we then lose the 60 day DL for those who are going to be out less than the rest of the season? 

[Maydab23]

As someone who has had I think 7 or 8 different players go on and/or off the 60day DL at some point this season I don't like the idea of a player on 60day DL must be on it all year. A lot of those players on the 60day DL come back mid year from TJS from previous year and now you are telling me I either need to hold a roster spot for those 7 or 8 guys all year or commit to not playing them even as they spend half a year playing in real life.

That said I see the problem Chris is pointing out and agree it is a legitimate problem. Case in point, Jordan Walden took up a roster spot on my team for about 15 months while being injured before the real life Cards decided to Move him from 15 to 60day DL.

So, while I agree there is a problem I don't agree with the proposed solution.

[chrisetc21]

Well we could tell someone is out for the year when the team says the player is out for the year.  This happens all the time.  Players who have surgeries or break bones are sometimes left on the 15 day DL but are listed out for the year. 

The 60 day DL is a function of 40 man roster spots in MLB, it's not a function simply of the length of time someone is going to be injured. 

I'm simply proposing, in addition to the 60 man DL, that players who have been declared out for the year can be placed on the DL in our league but would not be allowed to return to active status that year.  This won't affect 60 day DL players at all, it's merely an add on for players out for the season.  You wouldn't have to place him on the DL and lose him for the year, it would just be an option.  It makes no sense that a player out for the year can't be placed on our DL because his real life MLB team just has him on the 15 day DL. 

Either way, it's not a big deal.  Just something I felt was a hole in our rules. 

[chrisetc21]

Average MLB team payrolls for the last few years.  We probably don't need the +5% provision.  As it stands, using the averages the cap would go up $17m. 

2016 - $142m
2015 - $135m
2014 - $121m
2013 - $111m

[Jss0062]

Average MLB team payrolls for the last few years.  We probably don't need the +5% provision.  As it stands, using the averages the cap would go up $17m. 

2016 - $142m
2015 - $135m
2014 - $121m
2013 - $111m

Where did you pull those numbers?  Baseball Prospectus has these numbers
2016 - $130m
2015 - $125m
2014 - $115m
2013 - $106m

maybe you have year end numbers and these are opening day numbers

[chrisetc21]

Where did you pull those numbers?  Baseball Prospectus has these numbers
2016 - $130m
2015 - $125m
2014 - $115m
2013 - $106m

maybe you have year end numbers and these are opening day numbers

They're year end from spotrac. 

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/

[Jss0062]

They're year end from spotrac. 

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/

Would it not be better to use baseball pro since that's where our ARB numbers come from?