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I propose that we eliminate the Trade Committee. I have two major problems with the TC.
1. The very existence of a TC in a league that is supposed to emulate reality is a contradiction of terms. The vetting process for new owners should ensure that we only bring in owners whose knowledge and expertise we trust.
2. The TC does NOT work. It does not seem to have prevented countless bad trades in any of the leagues that utilize a TC. Imo, it is an exercise in futility and only serves to aggravate the owners involved in trades. Some bad trades may have been prevented, but countless more have been approved which brings into question the entire process. It's akin to handing out speeding tickets on a national highway. It gives the illusion that you are preventing a crime, but in reality you are only catching the few unlucky enough to be caught.
I propose the following:
1. Improve the vetting process for new owners. Scrutinize past deals made by these owners in other PSL leagues.
2. Institute a policy of increasing penalties for teams that continue to make lopsided trades. The initial penalty might be to suspend their trading rights for a pre-determined time span. The ultimate penalty would be to terminate their ownership.
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I like the idea of getting rid of a set TC and I think we should make it league wide votes. We have a lot of good tenured managers here and I think more people should get a say instead of the same 5 or 6 people every year.
I also think trades should be looked at as whats best for the league and not if someone thinks they could have gotten more or not. If a trade is between two owners that have a plan they should be able to run their team the way they want. I've most likely made more trades than anyone the last couple of years and I pride myself on making good fair deals. Different people have different opinions which is fine but I think opening up votes to the whole league would be a welcomed change.
I'm all for doing a little research on a new owner. I don't think penalties for lopsided trades will work as it will lead to more aggravation and most likely more turnover.
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I like the idea of getting rid of a set TC and I think we should make it league wide votes. We have a lot of good tenured managers here and I think more people should get a say instead of the same 5 or 6 people every year.
I also think trades should be looked at as whats best for the league and not if someone thinks they could have gotten more or not. If a trade is between two owners that have a plan they should be able to run their team the way they want. I've most likely made more trades than anyone the last couple of years and I pride myself on making good fair deals. Different people have different opinions which is fine but I think opening up votes to the whole league would be a welcomed change.
I'm all for doing a little research on a new owner. I don't think penalties for lopsided trades will work as it will lead to more aggravation and most likely more turnover.
Chris,
I am good with your post. I do need to say that prior to coming to profsl, I was in a league on proboards where we had league wide vote, it was not a good setup. Trades took forever to process and people teamed up against trades. Better people here. I am fine with change, but not a fan of league wide vote.
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A TC is veryimpprtant to stop two teams from colluding. Doesnt happen in real life, or does it...
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A TC is veryimpprtant to stop two teams from colluding. Doesnt happen in real life, or does it...
I don't think we need a TC to see if two teams are colluding. This league is pretty established and we know each other pretty well. I think we need to just look at the parameters of why a trade should be vetoed or not.
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I like the league wide vote idea, just make it happen in a limited period of time so every trade will be processed after the same amount of time. I would suggest a three day window
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A side note, in New Era we use a league wide. We have done that for about 2 years now.
The league has 20 members and 5 vetoes kills the trade.
During the offseason it is tough to get votes tho, during the season no real issue.
My only advice would be to have a person designated to send a league pm when I trade is posted
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I don't think we need a TC to see if two teams are colluding. This league is pretty established and we know each other pretty well. I think we need to just look at the parameters of why a trade should be vetoed or not.
I'm in this boat. Just need to make sure TC understand parameters for vetoing. "You could've gotten more" isn't a good reason. With varying salaries and caps and prospects in a league like this there are a lot of factors to consider other than strictly the talent involved so trades are very specific to a team's roster construction or owner's future plan. So trades should only be vetoed on what looks like extreme negligence or collusion IMO.
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I'm in this boat. Just need to make sure TC understand parameters for vetoing. "You could've gotten more" isn't a good reason. With varying salaries and caps and prospects in a league like this there are a lot of factors to consider other than strictly the talent involved so trades are very specific to a team's roster construction or owner's future plan. So trades should only be vetoed on what looks like extreme negligence or collusion IMO.
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Chris,
I am good with your post. I do need to say that prior to coming to profsl, I was in a league on proboards where we had league wide vote, it was not a good setup. Trades took forever to process and people teamed up against trades. Better people here. I am fine with change, but not a fan of league wide vote.
I agree!
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A side note, in New Era we use a league wide. We have done that for about 2 years now.
The league has 20 members and 5 vetoes kills the trade.
During the offseason it is tough to get votes tho, during the season no real issue.
My only advice would be to have a person designated to send a league pm when I trade is posted
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Something needs to be done here. We need the commish to step in and come up with a plan. There is a trade sitting on the board for five days now with two votes. If the TC doesn't have time or won't vote we need to get rid of it. I am for a league wide panel of votes. I know there are pros and cons to this but the activity in this league has been getting worse and worse and I know its frustrating a few other owners in here. I understand that people are busy as am I which is why it makes more sense to get to league wide. Maybe it will drum up more activity. At the very least if a TC member doesn't vote within 72 hours of a trade then their vote no longer counts. We need to do something. I know its the offseason but trades that sit on the board hold up other potential moves. We have had some good ideas in here, we need to get some changes going.
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Something needs to be done here. We need the commish to step in and come up with a plan. There is a trade sitting on the board for five days now with two votes. If the TC doesn't have time or won't vote we need to get rid of it. I am for a league wide panel of votes. I know there are pros and cons to this but the activity in this league has been getting worse and worse and I know its frustrating a few other owners in here. I understand that people are busy as am I which is why it makes more sense to get to league wide. Maybe it will drum up more activity. At the very least if a TC member doesn't vote within 72 hours of a trade then their vote no longer counts. We need to do something. I know its the offseason but trades that sit on the board hold up other potential moves. We have had some good ideas in here, we need to get some changes going.
Currently there is no better option then to continue on with the TC. The system has been in place for many years and there will always be those that don't like it. I will have to take a long look at ways we can improve it. Right now though I can't control the current members that are on the TC and whether they vote on a deal in a timely fashion or not. I will look at the current makeup of the TC to see if anyone needs to be replaced due to inactivity.
Shooter
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We should figure out the RC before making changes to the TC. RC should be based on a ranked vote by the GMs as a whole. Too much power is granted to the Commish to amend and appoint.
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I'm in this boat. Just need to make sure TC understand parameters for vetoing. "You could've gotten more" isn't a good reason. With varying salaries and caps and prospects in a league like this there are a lot of factors to consider other than strictly the talent involved so trades are very specific to a team's roster construction or owner's future plan. So trades should only be vetoed on what looks like extreme negligence or collusion IMO.
:bump: this thread, as I was going to start a new/similar one but this seems to fit the narrative just fine. Simply put, there needs to be a set of parameters that the TC abides by when voting on trades. Just recently, 10% of the league (3 owners) had trades vetoed because of the whims of the personalities of the TC. This, after weeks of complaining about the activity level of the league?!? "One man's trash is another man's treasure" can not be better exemplified than in the fantasy game. For GM's to have to hope and pray, sometimes after hours of work, that their deal appeases the palate of those on the TC is ludicrous and an indictment of the system. Some may call this sour grapes, call it what you will...but I can't recall a trade being vetoed where a team in cap trouble was GAINING cap space AND WINNING the return on points. That is simply a TC voting based on their opinion of the return based on personal preference, not based on whether the trade was made in good faith or whether the trade is bad for the health of the league. The power of the TC is far too subjective in this league and something needs to be addressed. To be made to craft a trade that satisfies the tastes of all 7-8 members of the TC is unrealistic and damaging to the idea of a league with variable caps, etc. It is not one-size fits all here gang. I love this league and want to see it do well, but I also value my time far too much to invest fiduciary time into something that can be undone based on the arbitrary and undefined power of a select few. Getting off my horse now, watch me stick the landing...
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OK here is my 2cents worth I hate to say this but the tc isn't as bad as everyone thinks the one thing I think should be done is cutting it down. I don't see why wee needb8 people on it.
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The problem, I agree, is that TC members have no target for good and bad. Its a subjective process. If the purpose of the TC is to limit collusion, it will have different standards than if the TC were designed to keep parity.
The RC should help by clarifying the roles of the TC.