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Title: Running a 2nd team
Post by: ripper on November 20, 2013, 07:39:33 PM
With so many open teams can we GM a team in the other conference?

Obviously there would be no trading between each owned team.

I think it would be fun and good for the league until we are full.



Ripper
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on November 21, 2013, 09:58:24 AM
With so many open teams can we GM a team in the other conference?

Obviously there would be no trading between each owned team.

I think it would be fun and good for the league until we are full.



Ripper


:iatp:

I'm all for that.

How would you see that happening Rip? Any plans man.
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: ripper on November 21, 2013, 12:05:33 PM
I could take New Jersey.

Is it possible for a GM on fantrax to have access to 2 teams?

Really I would ensure a competitive line up is both set as well as small trades to improve the club.

If fantrax only allows one team I could create a 2nd fantrax account.

There is no intention of any collusion here just trying to get this league going a bit.

Ripper

 
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on November 23, 2013, 01:40:11 PM
From what I've seen in the past in this league the other owners don't like one owner holding several teams. Owners told the commish to only set the lineup, keep key players signed and basic additions from free agency and to avoid trades after one deal ended up with an owner checking out.

Guess we'll see what Pigs and Freak say.
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: ripper on November 23, 2013, 02:30:19 PM
Well this league needs a lot of work and it starts with the GM's in this league. There are a few active ones but some serious dead weight kicking around. There are way to many orphaned teams as well. This needs to change ASAP.

If any GM has an issue with me trying to help a 2nd team speak up.

Let's get these teams filled or contract.

Ripper
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: thunderblade on November 24, 2013, 06:54:29 PM
I have no problem with a manager running a 2nd team. In fact Ripper should be applauded for a pro- active approach.
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: PigsRule on November 25, 2013, 01:49:00 PM
I have no problem with a manager running a 2nd team. In fact Ripper should be applauded for a pro- active approach.

I agree - proactive it good in such as large league.
however we currently have no guidelines in place for a league owner to assume management of another team.
also, as owners have commented in the past one person's vision might not be another's.


Well this league needs a lot of work and it starts with the GM's in this league. There are a few active ones but some serious dead weight kicking around. There are way to many orphaned teams as well. This needs to change ASAP.

If any GM has an issue with me trying to help a 2nd team speak up.

Let's get these teams filled or contract.

Ripper

per note above, if we went with allowing owners to help manage a 2nd team other than their primary ... we'd have to vote to allow that ... since that what ppl expect.

at the same time we need a set of guidelines (ie. a traded player from a secondary team cannot find it's way to the owner's primary team without appearing on the roster of X number of teams prior / perhaps can never be traded to the owner's primary team, etc.).

let's hear it... if you guys want to allow an owner to manage a 2nd team, voice you opinion PRO / CON, and why!

Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: jackdaniels on November 25, 2013, 02:53:11 PM
I'm good either way.
Sounds like a good thing until someone shoots their eye out.

TC is there to review collusion and ensure fair return in trades.
Commish is there to check the team isn't being dismantled and sold off.
We should ensure lineups set daily the way its been so far.

As the last owner of the Jersey Devils I'd say I know best the direction of that team so if an owner is needed to manage them I'm up for it!

Other random thoughts
Players on the second team can't end up on the first team during the season.
Maybe tag 5 untouchables on each league owned team so they keep their identity and can't be dealt.
None of the teams should be taken apart and rebuilt (no throwing in the towel on the season).
Anyone adopting a second team can't abandon them for any reason like we see throughout this site.

I think it can get real sticky. But might be worth a try.
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: ripper on November 25, 2013, 04:03:36 PM
I have lost my interest...way to much over thinking about everything.

League can run them.

Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: dickiedunn on November 26, 2013, 11:58:12 AM
It was just last year we decided  the league owned teams should be left intact as much as possible. Meaning no trading. Let the league add some players with smaller contracts and re-sign key pending Free Agents.

Reviving this discussion so soon makes some guys think there are too many changes taking place when that's not the case.

- Ottawa
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on December 04, 2013, 12:54:16 PM
Pigs I can help set lineups for at least one team to help out man. I can be the lineup jockey for :NYR: or :NYI:

I usually preset my lineup for the entire period and then some.
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: PigsRule on December 04, 2013, 03:03:39 PM
Pigs I can help set lineups for at least one team to help out man. I can be the lineup jockey for :NYR: or :NYI:

I usually preset my lineup for the entire period and then some.

Appreciate the assistance! You've been added to the teams to "coach" them. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: PigsRule on December 04, 2013, 03:06:12 PM
Anyone else want to set lineups for another team? Raise your hand.
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on December 05, 2013, 10:06:33 PM
:NYI: lineup has been done up til January 2nd. I had a little free time last night. LOL
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: PigsRule on December 06, 2013, 05:00:27 PM
:NYI: lineup has been done up til January 2nd. I had a little free time last night. LOL

:iatp:

nice work!
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: jackdaniels on January 12, 2014, 03:31:37 PM
I'd be interested in looking into owning a second team now that my schedule has cleared up.

What about some basic ground rules like
A) 2nd team costs a flat 10$ annually
B) No trading between teams owned by same owner (or ensure the players don't find their way to the other owner's teams without a stop on 1-2 other teams) but at the same time isn't that the job of TC members to determine fairness of deals!?
C) If teams owned by the same owner meet in a weekly or play-off match-up all eligible players must be active (can't bench one of their teams)
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: jackdaniels on January 12, 2014, 03:42:49 PM
MLS started off with owners buying into he league with multiple teams and look at MLS now.

Also, Franchise values should appreciate with time but not too quickly.
Maybe let owners set the sale price for the team they want to sell since they spent time building their team up. Just a thought but figured it would worth mentioning.
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: PigsRule on January 15, 2014, 05:11:06 PM
MLS started off with owners buying into he league with multiple teams and look at MLS now.

Also, Franchise values should appreciate with time but not too quickly.
Maybe let owners set the sale price for the team they want to sell since they spent time building their team up. Just a thought but figured it would worth mentioning.


I read up on that too about MLS.

Listen... lets get input from the other teams and see.
If no input, then I'll chat with HF47 and see what we'll do.

Hockeyfreak47, any thoughts??!
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: PigsRule on January 15, 2014, 05:14:46 PM
I'd be interested in looking into owning a second team now that my schedule has cleared up.

What about some basic ground rules like
A) 2nd team costs a flat 10$ annually
B) No trading between teams owned by same owner (or ensure the players don't find their way to the other owner's teams without a stop on 1-2 other teams) but at the same time isn't that the job of TC members to determine fairness of deals!?
C) If teams owned by the same owner meet in a weekly or play-off match-up all eligible players must be active (can't bench one of their teams)



:thumbsup:

Good input! I like the guidelines. Anyone else want to input on this matter.
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: dickiedunn on January 18, 2014, 11:54:44 AM
I think if we allow ownership of a second team we should consider capping the number at a max of 2 teams per owner.

Also no more than 5 teams can be sold to existing owners. That way there's good diversity at the ownership level while maintaining a high level of team activity throughout the league. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: ripper on January 18, 2014, 12:49:33 PM
I'm coming strong with the TRUTH!

This league has not really been that fun, there are way to many open teams we need to make some positive changes.

Please list all the orphaned teams below......we need to get these teams filled.

I also want to see every team listed that is playing for the $ prize this year.

I'm going to help fix this!

Ripper
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: dickiedunn on January 19, 2014, 01:04:19 PM
I think the purpose of controlling ownership and introducing team fees was to pay to having 30 teams on one Fantrax site and ensure serious owners joined. That has led to teams being available but they have been competitive and a number of them are in the play-off hunt as we type.
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on January 20, 2014, 01:01:53 PM
Rip the list of teams that paid into the prize pool and playing for cash are here on the homepg
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=109962.0


The list of teams for sale are here in the signup section
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=8267.msg654300#msg654300
:LAK: and :NYI: might also be up for sale but that's up to Pigs and Hockeyfreak47.


I'd be up for purchasing a 2nd team if when the co-commish agree to this. There's nothing I like more than rebuilding a franchise that's headed in the wrong direction and turning it into a contender. Thanks for sucking me back into this fantasy stuff PR!  :soapbox:  I'll add to DD's list of guidelines and say the owner can't own teams in the same conference.

Also, whether it's $20 or $10 to pick up a 2nd team, the owner should be able to re-sell their 2nd team at their preferred price. If we build up a franchise and it's more successful than when we bought it why shouldn't we make some profit on the sale of that franchise! Who's with me on that???  :winner:
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: jackdaniels on January 20, 2014, 03:51:13 PM
Ripper the activity level of owners in the past was higher but the deals being tossed around left a number of teams looking like the real life Islanders under Milbury's care! :rofl: A bunch of teams were without a starting goalie or even a soon to be promoted goalie of the future!

As far as buying another team I'm down with that. When can we shop for another franchise Pigs,Freak,Pigs,Freak,Pigs? And what's the pricetag?

The avail teams holding down a playoff spot look pretty good. Now it's a matter of to fine tune or scrap n rebuild from the ground up?
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: ripper on January 20, 2014, 07:47:03 PM
I agree with only having one team in one conference.

I'll take Columbus (I am St.Louis in the West) and start setting line ups immediately if I am given access.

I am not looking to pay this year but rather ensure a competitive team is built for next season.

Ripper
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: PigsRule on January 21, 2014, 04:13:32 PM
I agree with only having one team in one conference.

I'll take Columbus (I am St.Louis in the West) and start setting line ups immediately if I am given access.

I am not looking to pay this year but rather ensure a competitive team is built for next season.

Ripper

Ripper, ownership or management of a 2nd team will only be allowed with purchase of the franchise. That ensures commitment.

If you wanted to set line-ups that's already being done and for the FNHL managed teams, I'd say it's been 98% set for all of them. Just about the only thing the FNHL managed teams haven't done is trade but they've picked up Free Agents, Dropped unproductive/inactive players, promoted MiLR players as needed, and extended contracts for key players on the roster.

Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on January 22, 2014, 05:38:24 PM
So do we wait for Hockeyfreak47 to OK this before opening up ownership to existing owners?
Do we need to setup a vote by owners? So far no one has opposed this idea and if we get additional active teams because interested existing owners want to buy another franchise to play or invest in then why the heck wouldn't we want that.  :winner:

Like I said, I'm up for guiding another team to the promise land! LOL
Let me know when I can pick another one up. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: ripper on January 23, 2014, 08:33:41 AM
Does anything ever happen in this league, we've been talking about this for months now. Somebody make it happen. We are approaching the trade deadline and it would increase activity.

Ripper
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: jackdaniels on January 23, 2014, 11:39:08 AM
Agree with Rip in that we should get a decision on this soon.
Would be good for everyone and the league.

I'm ready to pony up and put my :money: where my :bla: hole is.   :P :rofl:
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: jackdaniels on January 23, 2014, 11:48:51 AM
Rip, I think Pigs is just proceeding with caution cause the last time rule changes got rushed midseason guys freaked and threw the breaks on. In a 4th yr league things are bound to be way more strategic vs newbie startup leagues or baseball leagues here where trades are flyin round and guys abandoning their teams after a couple o'mths. IMO
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: PigsRule on January 23, 2014, 01:12:11 PM
Rip, I think Pigs is just proceeding with caution cause the last time rule changes got rushed midseason guys freaked and threw the breaks on. In a 4th yr league things are bound to be way more strategic vs newbie startup leagues or baseball leagues here where trades are flyin round and guys abandoning their teams after a couple o'mths. IMO

:iatp: Correct.

Ripper, I know you want to running speed but here the consensus has been walking speed. Let me know which team you want to purchase in the Eastern Conference. Same for PPG.
JackDaniels, let me know which team you want to purchase in the West.

I will confirm cost to purchase a second team by tomorrow and ask HF47 to chime in and stamp his approval.
To reiterate, the only way an owner will be allowed to purchase a second team is to:
1) actually pay to own it (fee TBC)
2) follow the guidelines for ownership of a 2nd franchise (TBC)

Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: jackdaniels on January 24, 2014, 11:38:11 AM
:iatp: Correct.

Ripper, I know you want to running speed but here the consensus has been walking speed. Let me know which team you want to purchase in the Eastern Conference. Same for PPG.
JackDaniels, let me know which team you want to purchase in the West.

I will confirm cost to purchase a second team by tomorrow and ask HF47 to chime in and stamp his approval.
To reiterate, the only way an owner will be allowed to purchase a second team is to:
1) actually pay to own it (fee TBC)
2) follow the guidelines for ownership of a 2nd franchise (TBC)

I'm looking at :CLG: or :COL-NHL:
Let me know the price. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: jackdaniels on January 24, 2014, 11:41:59 AM
Flames look like they could be a fun rebuilding project and they could use a new owner.
The Avs look like they can contend with a few good moves.

I can decide once you guys let me know cost. :toast:
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: PigsRule on January 24, 2014, 02:55:42 PM
I'm looking at :CLG: or :COL-NHL:
Let me know the price. :thumbsup:

Noted. :judge:
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: jackdaniels on January 24, 2014, 05:21:41 PM
I fired over 2 bills with PayPal.
Jack is ready to pick his new toy. :thumbsup: :taco: :thumbsup: :bacon:
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: dickiedunn on January 24, 2014, 06:07:08 PM
Alright you twisted my rubber arm Piggy!

I will buy the Los Angeles Kings franchise. Just deduct the cost from my MCSIV winnings. :toast:
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: jackdaniels on January 24, 2014, 06:21:37 PM
Alright you twisted my rubber arm Piggy!

I will buy the Los Angeles Kings franchise. Just deduct the cost from my MCSIV winnings. :toast:

YAH! Division rivals.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Gimme the sadsack Flames! They are in serious need of some, no a ton of TLC!  :puke:
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: dickiedunn on January 25, 2014, 03:18:47 PM
YAH! Division rivals.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Gimme the sadsack Flames! They are in serious need of some, no a ton of TLC!  :puke:

:iatp: Rivals it is! Bring it on Jack! :toast:
Title: Re: Running a 2nd team
Post by: PigsRule on January 25, 2014, 07:48:00 PM
Alright you twisted my rubber arm Piggy!

I will buy the Los Angeles Kings franchise. Just deduct the cost from my MCSIV winnings. :toast:

Actually, send me a new Paypal payment. MCSIV winnings were all paid out last summer. :judge: