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Title: Offseason Poll #7 - Free Agency Contracts
Post by: Vik on February 16, 2020, 04:13:12 PM
Current Rule

You can structure your bids however you like but the contract amount per year must be constant.  You cannot offer $20 million in the first season and $3 million in the second season or vice versa.  There is no restructuring of deals at this point.

Proposed Rule Change

You can structure your bids however you like; the contract amount per year does not have to be consistent. However, each subsequent year of the structured contract must be more than the previous years.

For example:

3 years for 10m a year

Current rule:
Year 1: 10m
Year 2: 10m
Year 3: 10m

Proposed Rule Change (example):
Year 1: 6m
Year 2: 10m
Year 3: 14m

Note: If this passes, we would only put into effect on opening day all offseason FA bidding will remain at current rule.
Title: Re: Offseason Poll #7 - Free Agency Contracts
Post by: kidd5jersey on February 16, 2020, 06:17:22 PM
I like variable bids.
Title: Re: Offseason Poll #7 - Free Agency Contracts
Post by: EastCoastGonzo on February 16, 2020, 06:23:03 PM
Obviously the min salary per year is $500k, probably needs to get stuck in there.

But I think we may need to add a formula for structuring the contract. It would be weird to bid 2yrs / 2m = 4m and pay 500k/3.5m. Or maybe people don't mind that.

I think we should add a formula like the first year of the contract must be a certain % of the total value of the contract.

2 yrs = 40%
3 yrs = 30%
4 yrs = 20%
5 yrs = 10%
Title: Re: Offseason Poll #7 - Free Agency Contracts
Post by: RyanJames5 on February 19, 2020, 01:07:22 PM
Current Rule

You can structure your bids however you like but the contract amount per year must be constant.  You cannot offer $20 million in the first season and $3 million in the second season or vice versa.  There is no restructuring of deals at this point.

Proposed Rule Change

You can structure your bids however you like; the contract amount per year does not have to be consistent. However, each subsequent year of the structured contract must be more than the previous years.

For example:

3 years for 10m a year

Current rule:
Year 1: 10m
Year 2: 10m
Year 3: 10m

Proposed Rule Change (example):
Year 1: 6m
Year 2: 10m
Year 3: 14m

Note: If this passes, we would only put into effect on opening day all offseason FA bidding will remain at current rule.

I love variable contracts, but I don't think the rule above is ideal.  I wouldn't want to have to gradually pay someone more.  If I want to front load a contract, I definitely should be able to do that.  A league that I have been in for quite awhile that uses variable contracts has the following rule and it works really well.  It allows front loading or backloading, but nothing extreme. 

No single year can deviate more than 40% from AAS. So a contract with 5 million dollars AAS can only range between 3 million and 7 million for any one year.



Title: Re: Offseason Poll #7 - Free Agency Contracts
Post by: indiansnation on February 19, 2020, 11:20:44 PM
I want varable also
Title: Re: Offseason Poll #7 - Free Agency Contracts
Post by: kidd5jersey on February 20, 2020, 07:37:31 AM
I like Ryans idea
Title: Re: Offseason Poll #7 - Free Agency Contracts
Post by: EastCoastGonzo on February 21, 2020, 12:01:46 PM
I love variable contracts, but I don't think the rule above is ideal.  I wouldn't want to have to gradually pay someone more.  If I want to front load a contract, I definitely should be able to do that.  A league that I have been in for quite awhile that uses variable contracts has the following rule and it works really well.  It allows front loading or backloading, but nothing extreme. 

No single year can deviate more than 40% from AAS. So a contract with 5 million dollars AAS can only range between 3 million and 7 million for any one year.


I would like this idea too but I think we have to make a decision about the direction of the league. Are we trying to get more realistic or just make convienent changes. Because contracts that are less money on the back end aren't realistic, it just allows for longer contracts with fewer penalities because you can front load the contract when they're actually worth that amount of money.

I'm for variable contracts but realistic variable contracts where all the years are the same or escalating.
Title: Re: Offseason Poll #7 - Free Agency Contracts
Post by: RyanJames5 on February 21, 2020, 12:05:54 PM
I would like this idea too but I think we have to make a decision about the direction of the league. Are we trying to get more realistic or just make convienent changes. Because contracts that are less money on the back end aren't realistic, it just allows for longer contracts with fewer penalities because you can front load the contract when they're actually worth that amount of money.

I'm for variable contracts but realistic variable contracts where all the years are the same or escalating.

The reality of the rule is that neither are realistic because teams have no limitations in real baseball.  So the rule of allowing variable contracts, no matter how they come out is making the league more realistic. 
Title: Re: Offseason Poll #7 - Free Agency Contracts
Post by: Vik on February 21, 2020, 03:40:07 PM
Current vote here is 7-5 in favor and all comments also supporting and great feedback.

Would be nice to get some more votes but assuming this will pass I will take into account comments and discuss further so we can draft up a revised and more specific rule.
Title: Re: Offseason Poll #7 - Free Agency Contracts
Post by: EastCoastGonzo on February 21, 2020, 07:17:38 PM
The reality of the rule is that neither are realistic because teams have no limitations in real baseball.  So the rule of allowing variable contracts, no matter how they come out is making the league more realistic.

There may not be a limitation but there has never been a contract in real life where a subsequent year is worth less than a previous year.
Title: Re: Offseason Poll #7 - Free Agency Contracts
Post by: rotodojo on February 22, 2020, 07:22:37 AM
This rule change complicates things when you bid using the old rules and then include percentages. Also, if we vote on buyouts again that changes what we are voting for here. Allow any variable contracts and deferred money if the vote passes and the rule is made more specific.

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Title: Re: Offseason Poll #7 - Free Agency Contracts
Post by: Yeagg on February 24, 2020, 04:50:34 PM
I would be okay with variability but we would need outlines or structure that they should follow
Title: Re: Offseason Poll #7 - Free Agency Contracts
Post by: rotodojo on February 28, 2020, 11:50:14 PM
There may not be a limitation but there has never been a contract in real life where a subsequent year is worth less than a previous year.

Mike Trout

2020   Contract details by year   28      $36,000,000
2021   Contract details by year   29      $35,450,000

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/los-angeles-angels/mike-trout-8553/
Title: Re: Offseason Poll #7 - Free Agency Contracts
Post by: EastCoastGonzo on February 29, 2020, 01:20:31 AM
Mike Trout

2020   Contract details by year   28      $36,000,000
2021   Contract details by year   29      $35,450,000

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/los-angeles-angels/mike-trout-8553/


Thats an estimate. Not official.
Title: Re: Offseason Poll #7 - Free Agency Contracts
Post by: rotodojo on February 29, 2020, 04:40:32 AM
Ian Desmond

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/colorado-rockies/ian-desmond-7542/


Yuli Gurriel

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/houston-astros/yulieski-gurriel-20806/


Jhonny Peralta

$15.5M in '14, $15M in '15, $12.5M in '16, $10M  in '17

https://www.mlbdailydish.com/2013/11/30/5154748/cardinals-jhonny-peralta-front-loaded-contract-mlb