Author Topic: Tiers Remodeled  (Read 7184 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline rcankosy

  • All-Star
  • ***
  • Join Date: Oct 2009
  • Posts: 2467
  • Bonus inPoints: 0
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • View Profile
Re: Tiers Remodeled
« Reply #50 on: March 10, 2010, 12:09:59 PM »
Colby,

Have we given up the idea of adopting the cap values you quoted from the New Era League as the "new" starting points prior to implementing this change? 
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions

Offline Colby

  • MLFB Founder
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jan 2009
  • Posts: 28820
  • Bonus inPoints: 27
    • :PIT-NFL:
    • :Blank:
    • :PIT-NHL:
    • :PennState:
    • :UnitedStates:
    • View Profile
Re: Tiers Remodeled
« Reply #51 on: March 10, 2010, 02:31:36 PM »
Colby,

Have we given up the idea of adopting the cap values you quoted from the New Era League as the "new" starting points prior to implementing this change?

No, those values, and how they were determined will still be used.  They reflect the real life salaries and economic fluctuations.  This way, 10 years down the road, we will still have similar salaries to the major leagues.

It may take several seconds to load.  I had to put up a large image size to get better clarity.  We don't know how our teams will finish in 2010.  We don't know what the total payrolls of the actual MLB teams will be for this year or next.  The 2012 caps rely on such information, so I had to fill it out for 2010, and I made it the same as 2009.  If you do better than 2009, then your cap could go up more for 2012.  If you do worse than 2009, then your cap could do down a bit from its listed 2012 value.  Of course, your cap could only change by 20% at most year-to-year, so please keep that in mind.

Some teams such as the Yankees, Phillies, and Tigers may have to cut back, but we knew their caps were too high to begin with.  They'll still only change by 20% and they could theoretically change by more in the old system, so this is even more stable for the big market teams. I like the results of this...

SEE ATTACHED IMAGE
« Last Edit: March 10, 2010, 06:24:33 PM by Colby »
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
Learn about :Commish: inPoints and the Invitationals.

Canada8999

  • Guest
Re: Tiers Remodeled
« Reply #52 on: March 10, 2010, 06:20:52 PM »
FYI, I believe Ben meant that the Cap was the average of the Returns.  I'll make something up in Excel today and post it.

correct, good catch
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions

Canada8999

  • Guest
Re: Tiers Remodeled
« Reply #53 on: March 10, 2010, 09:16:25 PM »
Looks great to me Colby...

 :iatp:
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions

Offline rcankosy

  • All-Star
  • ***
  • Join Date: Oct 2009
  • Posts: 2467
  • Bonus inPoints: 0
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • :Blank:
    • View Profile
Re: Tiers Remodeled
« Reply #54 on: March 10, 2010, 11:57:16 PM »
It looks good to me as well.  I approve this proposal.
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions

Offline Colby

  • MLFB Founder
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jan 2009
  • Posts: 28820
  • Bonus inPoints: 27
    • :PIT-NFL:
    • :Blank:
    • :PIT-NHL:
    • :PennState:
    • :UnitedStates:
    • View Profile
Re: Tiers Remodeled
« Reply #55 on: March 15, 2010, 04:13:59 PM »
Jake, Chad, M.J....
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
Learn about :Commish: inPoints and the Invitationals.

clidwin

  • Guest
Re: Tiers Remodeled
« Reply #56 on: March 15, 2010, 05:27:09 PM »
 :iatp:
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions

lp815

  • Guest
Re: Tiers Remodeled
« Reply #57 on: March 15, 2010, 05:58:12 PM »
I dunno...I'm still seeing some pretty big drops from 2010 to 2011, $50 mil drop for the Yankees, $40 mil for the Mets and Phillies..am I reading that correctly?
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions

Offline Colby

  • MLFB Founder
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jan 2009
  • Posts: 28820
  • Bonus inPoints: 27
    • :PIT-NFL:
    • :Blank:
    • :PIT-NHL:
    • :PennState:
    • :UnitedStates:
    • View Profile
Re: Tiers Remodeled
« Reply #58 on: March 15, 2010, 07:37:36 PM »
I dunno...I'm still seeing some pretty big drops from 2010 to 2011, $50 mil drop for the Yankees, $40 mil for the Mets and Phillies..am I reading that correctly?

Correct... that is because we have a 20% max drop or raise.  We could change that to 20 and 20... % and $m.
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
Learn about :Commish: inPoints and the Invitationals.

Offline Colby

  • MLFB Founder
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jan 2009
  • Posts: 28820
  • Bonus inPoints: 27
    • :PIT-NFL:
    • :Blank:
    • :PIT-NHL:
    • :PennState:
    • :UnitedStates:
    • View Profile
Re: Tiers Remodeled
« Reply #59 on: March 15, 2010, 07:38:18 PM »
In 2011, the league will feature variable salary caps for all teams based on the three-year average (2008-2010) payroll (as of beginning of playing season) + $20m.  The 2009 and 2010 seasons will be numbers from Franchise GM that we have whereas 2008 will be the actual payroll number for the 2008 teams.

Use those cap numbers, movement between cap values would be based on the following formula.

Cap ranking (CAPR) - 1st for highest cap, 30th for lowest from above list
Standings (STAND) - 1st for WS champ, 9th for best team out of playoffs, 30th for worst team in MLB

The new cap ranking is then hooked up with the new 3-year average + $20m.  This gives the weighting 25% to performance and 75% to current market status.

At the end of each season, we will combine how the team did (STAND) with their existing cap ranking (CAPR) to determine the value that season will have on their future cap numbers (did they gain or lose cap?).  Lets call that RETURN.

RETURN[YEAR] = Max(0.8CAPR(YEAR),Min(1.2CAPR(YEAR),3*CAPR(YEAR) + STAND(YEAR))

The CAPR and STAND values are both payroll numbers using the CAPR and STAND rankings on the actual MLB payroll averages (+$20m).

To calculate a team's salary cap in any season, we take the simple average of their past three seasons return, skipping the most recent (so we can always forecast one extra into the future):

CAP[2011] = AVERAGE(RETURN[2007] + RETURN[2008] + RETURN[2009])

In the absence of Franchise GM for the 2007 and 2008 seasons, the actual payroll and standings rankings are used.

Example
New York Mets Franchise GM Standing 2007-2009: 10th, 10th, 30th
finish example...
funny
0
like
0
dislike
0
No reactions
No reactions
No reactions
Learn about :Commish: inPoints and the Invitationals.

 

Forum Search


Quick Profile

 
 
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

* Chat Room

Refresh History
  • Daddy: NBA LIVE scoring, concept, rules, its all ready to go. The concept was completed last month.
    May 15, 2024, 08:14:18 PM
  • Daddy: @BAB exactly. Fresh start each year. @Alpha5 is on to something. And the LIVE scoring engine is legit.
    May 15, 2024, 08:15:13 PM
  • BayAreaBallers: i just need to know how money is handled
    May 15, 2024, 08:17:55 PM
  • BayAreaBallers: before deciding
    May 15, 2024, 08:18:01 PM
  • Daddy: That's fair. He is building his own brand "Powerhouse" is redraft each sport $10 entry & 20 teams. Football, Baseball, Basketball, and lastly hockey.
    May 15, 2024, 08:23:34 PM
  • Daddy: Each sport powered by the LIVE scoring engine.
    May 15, 2024, 08:24:55 PM
  • Daddy: Redraft
    May 15, 2024, 08:25:35 PM
  • Daddy: Im so proud lol (insert tear) #newgeneration
    May 15, 2024, 08:32:17 PM
  • Braves155: I had the best sick day ever today. This morning I woke sick as piss, texted my boss I was taking a sick day as it wasn't happening. I might also might have met someone who shows interest in this old boy
    May 15, 2024, 09:48:46 PM
  • Braves155: Via an accidental text from said person.
    May 15, 2024, 09:49:24 PM
  • dbreer23: It's a clear and quiet night in MLB LIVE, and the boards are cleared...
    May 15, 2024, 10:25:23 PM
  • Alpha5: If we could handle the money on fantrax that'd be great. Leaguesafe is actually the site I've been inquiring about
    Yesterday at 07:13:38 AM
  • Mt_Crushmore: Anyone know how to eliminate all the baseball news in unread topics and have football or hockey?
    Yesterday at 09:15:12 AM
  • Mt_Crushmore: Nevermind found it!
    Yesterday at 09:18:29 AM
  • Mt_Crushmore: Excited to see this news!!! Goff agreed to a four-year, $212 million contract extension with the Lions on Monday, Adam Schefter of ESPN reports.
    Yesterday at 09:23:51 AM
  • Daddy: He has two NFL LIVE Superbowl wins. The only two time champion.
    Yesterday at 11:59:49 AM
  • Rhino7: The GOAT lol
    Yesterday at 01:11:16 PM
  • BayAreaBallers: I'm ready for another SB rub
    Yesterday at 01:15:30 PM
  • BayAreaBallers: In NFL
    Yesterday at 01:15:35 PM
  • Mt_Crushmore: Where's all the Gm's other than the norm? Wake up!!! You got a team to run!!!. Let's trade, talk football, get tou FIRED up even though your last in your division.
    Yesterday at 04:22:12 PM
  • Mt_Crushmore: Any YouTube viewers watching dynasty draft? Any your subscribed to?
    Yesterday at 04:31:02 PM
  • Jwalkerjr88: Lol
    Yesterday at 04:53:59 PM
  • Jwalkerjr88: I get like that too Eric. My goal every offseason is to do at least 1 trade with every gm. Why not? Its fun
    Yesterday at 04:55:00 PM
  • Jwalkerjr88: Some guys just dont trade for whatever reason. But the guys who dont arent championship contenders.
    Yesterday at 04:55:47 PM
  • Daddy: They trade, about as often as real teams do. For people that love year round trading, being in one league, one sport, its going to be difficult.
    Yesterday at 05:38:13 PM
  • Jwalkerjr88: Not everyone trades. But agreed, for one sport folk like myself. It requires patience
    Yesterday at 06:10:32 PM
  • Alpha5: NFL LIVE is the most difficult league for me and it's not even close
    Yesterday at 07:22:33 PM
  • Daddy: Cant just trade because its fun. There needs to be a purpose behind trading. Get guys you believe in or need to keep improving.
    Yesterday at 08:44:03 PM
  • Daddy: NFL LIVE has the toughest GMs & football is the toughest fantasy sport for DYNASTY. Redraft will always be King of football.
    Yesterday at 08:45:00 PM
  • Daddy: Baseball, hockey, basketball guys struggle with NFL LIVE because its just so damn fast (football careers, roster turnover etc.)
    Yesterday at 08:46:19 PM
  • Alpha5: Limited assets
    Yesterday at 11:05:53 PM
  • Daddy: We all have the same assets
    Today at 12:14:51 AM
  • Alpha5: If a team has 2 QB1s another team has none. If a team in baseball has 2 1B it doesn't leave a team without one.
    Today at 09:09:33 AM
  • Alpha5: That's what I mean by limited assets
    Today at 09:09:53 AM
  • Brent: And that's why I haven't traded Carr yet.  Someone doesn't have a QB or thinks they'll get one in FA/draft and might be left wanting.
    Today at 09:12:28 AM
  • Daddy: @Alpha if a team in MLB LIVE has two starting 1Bs then there is also a team without one.
    Today at 10:30:34 AM
  • ldsjayhawk: @jwalker I make like 2-3 trades a year for each of my baseball teams, maybe.  I'll tell you part of the reason I don't trade.  Every trade discussion starts out with the other team wanting my top prospect regardless of what I am trading for.  I am not trading Jackson Holliday for your backup catcher who is going to play 20 games this year.
    Today at 10:56:16 AM
  • Alpha5: Nah cause position eligibility. 1B/OF, 1B,3B etc
    Today at 11:02:48 AM
  • Daddy: CB/S >> DE/LB >> Taysom Hill QB/TE
    Today at 12:06:43 PM
  • Daddy: Football is just harder. You can build a team and 3 years later its irrelevant due to injury, retirement, roster turnover.
    Today at 12:07:41 PM
  • Alpha5: @ldsjayhawk I get the frustration but you're gonna have to get over that man haha
    Today at 12:29:52 PM
  • Alpha5: And maybe you should trade Jackson Holiday lolol
    Today at 12:32:00 PM
  • Brent: In an offsite league, I inquired about Mason Miller and the guy asked for Jackson Holliday.
    Today at 12:39:24 PM
  • dbreer23: Is it like a 4 team redraft league? :rofl:
    Today at 12:40:30 PM
  • dbreer23: Cris, there is a reason that you are a good owner, bc you can discern a value deal vs. a BS deal. Not all owners are that savvy. They will eventually leave...
    Today at 12:42:49 PM
  • Brent: Nope, 32-team contract league.
    Today at 12:49:09 PM
  • ldsjayhawk: I don't have Holiday.  Just used him as an example since he was the #1 prospect
    Today at 12:56:05 PM
  • ldsjayhawk: @Alpha I do make trades.  I am just not giving up the entire farm to land a guy I can get out of the FA pool
    Today at 12:59:21 PM
  • ldsjayhawk: Trading should be a win-win situation for both teams.
    Today at 01:00:32 PM
  • dbreer23: Agreed. I think the Devers deal in FGM is a good example of that. Devers gives SD some now (and future) pop, giving up substantial pieces to get him (Mayo, Keith, and one other).
    Today at 01:03:48 PM