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Fantasy Leagues => Franchise NHL: Transactions => Franchise NHL => NHL Leagues => Franchise NHL: Completed Transactions => Topic started by: PigsRule on February 04, 2013, 01:10:14 PM
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we should expand MiLR from the current 13 spots to 30 spots starting after the 2013 FNHL Entry Draft to accommodate growing MiLR's.
WHY?
-to provide teams a means of housing draftees and holding onto their team assets longer in a ultra-deep 30-team league.
-30 spots should also be sufficient for the long-run needs of teams in FNHL
-considering NHL minor league systems have 2 affiliates + junior eligible players you can assume 10 MiLR spots for lower level (ie AHL, ECHL, CHL)
-numerous baseball leagues feature 20 spots on this site, some feature 45 spots
-simiplify: 30 MLR + 30 MiLR spots
-most teams will only have 17 MiLR spots filled during the 2013-14... again, this addresses MiLR space for the long-run. :judge:
Comments, opinions post 'em.
feb21-13: decision to increase to 20 MiLR spots for 2013-14... title revised.
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:iatp:
But at the same time i think we go up to 20 spots for 2013-14 , 25 spots for 2014-15 and get to 30 for 2015-16 . Since we don't need 30 spots right away and to avoid mega trades of prospects and having some teams with no prospect at all and some with 30 .
This way if we have new GM in the league for next year they won't get team from a past GM who traded all his prospect for a couple of player for his main roster and then left because his team as no future .
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:veto:
I think this could have a very negative effect on the league. Look at which teams are currently signing up the young talent or future NHLers. Its the bottom dwellers like myself because it is currently one of the only avenues left to rebuild a team. If other issues were fixed I would say great idea. In fantasy leagues there are 3 ways to rebuild your team. 1) trades 2)Free Agency 3) draft/prospects
Current state of FNHL 1) Trading - There is always a winner and a loser in every trade. History dictates to me that teams in the league for longer periods typically are the winners. Not in every case but the odds are in favor. 2) Free Agency - it is still far cheaper to re-sign extend your players than it is to try and bid them on the open market. This again hampers the rebuild of many teams since in order to compete they are overpaying for players. 3) Draft -- At least in the current setup , there is still good talent that can be signed without having to pay any additional compensation. At 30 per team that would leave basically no one. In most cases a team is in rebuild mode because the previous GM came in , traded away their future and then moved on.
I actually think you should move in the opposite direction which is limit MiLR to 10 , reduce draft picks to 3 rounds and start allowing teams to sign and place players to their MiLR instead of forcing them to store them on their pro roster.
Lets face it as a Fantasy hockey pool we are only concerned with the 10% of AHL/CHL/University/ etc players that make the league. By increasing the MiLR all you are doing is creating a hoarding ground for GMS. You could make it 50spots and GMS will still fill all the spots. On the flip side, if you keep it at 10 GMS than have to make the tough decisions of who do i keep. With 30 teams that is still 300 of the top prospects gone.
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Freak good plan with the 20, 25, 30 rollout over 3yrs bud. I've seen some flybynight owners in leagues pull stupid stunts like dealing all their farmhands for some warm bodies at the end of their careers tp take a run at the playoffs. But doesn't the trade committe stop owners from raping their own farm systems?
Snug, what??????
Do like me. rink some javajuice before hitting the keyboard.
You even talking about Franchise or is this about another league? So what if you and I signed a bunch of kiddies to the parent club. It's not like we can stash them in the minors even if there are a Crapload of spots opening up.
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javajuice must be a hell of a drug.
I will paraphrase. More MiLR spots bad idea. Less MiLR spots good idea.
If we had more MiLR spots those young guys you signed would never have been available to be signed, they would be stashed on someone's MiLR.
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javajuice is liquid gold and that's no euphemism for golden shower neither. LOL
You got it wrong Snug. More spots is good. Less spots is bad. Love the caveman speak. LOL
Seriously though.
League started 3yrs ago right!?
All you and I did with all those signings of young players is grab players that were drafted 5yrs ago.
With 4 draft picks each yr each team will still be forced to make decisions to cut prospects.
I think what will happen is this league will value farmhands even more and calm down the free agent spending.
It's a good longrange plan for any dynasty league that uses minor leagues.
10 minor league spots is best left for smaller pools.
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If we had more MiLR spots those young guys you signed would never have been available to be signed, they would be stashed on someone's MiLR.
That is every dynasty fantasy player's dream. More trading!
I joined this league because you can't just build your team off FA signings and wire pickups. That's so easy!
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in a perfect world I would agree with you. i just think you will have a hard time finding 30 dedicated gms that are willing to take the 4-5 years to properly build their team through the draft without going out and trying to jump the gun and overspend in FA.
at 30 milr I could draft for 7 1/2 years before i need to make any decisions on who to keep and who to drop. i am just not seeing the skill in that.
I am one of the ones who dont mind a slow rebuild but your majority just dont have the stomach or patience for it.
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I subscribe to the 80/20 rule. 80% of your activity on a league comes from 20% of your GMs. I would be willing to bet you could apply this to almost every league on Prosfl.
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You slam dunked that one! LOL
I'd say more like 90/10 on this site. Maybe even 95/5.
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:veto:
I think this could have a very negative effect on the league.
it might... but after:
looking over the setup
4 draft picks annually,
only 13 current MiLR spots/team
usually only the top 5 players from the first 10 picks at the NHL entry make the NHL quickly
most other draftees linger for 3-5yrs before getting called up
i think there's room to expand Minor league rosters (MiLR)
Look at which teams are currently signing up the young talent or future NHLers. Its the bottom dwellers like myself because it is currently one of the only avenues left to rebuild a team.
that's the name of the game in a uber deep 30-team league isn't it...
you're the last guy in, so you get the scraps.
been there, done that when i joined July 2011.
guess what, then i packed off the prospects + vets and got more assets.
kept trading til i got a serviceable team.
then i finished behind drew's :MIN-NHL: for the 2011-12 season... my 1st in the league.
I actually think you should move in the opposite direction which is limit MiLR to 10 , reduce draft picks to 3 rounds and start allowing teams to sign and place players to their MiLR instead of forcing them to store them on their pro roster.
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we could but the problem with that is... all the prospects that are very close to the NHL will face being cut right after the next draft for most teams.
why?
because your 4 new draft picks might also be amazing.
so now you have to cut newly drafted players.
oh oh.
doesn't that de-value your draft picks???
oh oh, then maybe we should cut the # of draft rounds from 4 to 1 or 2???
that's what we're facing... and it leads to shallow league play that's not as challenging not as advanced as a 30-team league should be.
bottomline: increasing MiLR spots will lead to more strategic, competitive league play where resources are valuable, not devalued.
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...BUT Snugerud... your comments are noted!
to your pt, we do need to ensure teams don't mortgage the farm literally to make a push for the post-season.
and that's something any league commissioner(s) + trade committee members need to be mindful of while monitoring trades and owner movement.
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Point taken, but I will add that I am sure your rebuild would have been slowed had you not been able to sign the likes of Craig Smith, Carl Haglien, orlov. There is probably others I just dont have the time to look.
Dont pretend like you got there all with your amazing trade raping skills.
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lol
actually, it was easier than that... just stock up on filler players that get you some pts nightly and you can overtake star studded teams that aren't filled.
anyway, remember how you said you can't win... uh, did i notice your :NYI: winning its WEEK 2 matchup? ;)
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I didnt say I cant win, I didnt want to win but dont want to ethically so, I am still putting the best team together that I can to compete but frankly hope each week that I lose horribly and get a good pick for whomever is taking over next year.
I still disagree with the MILR increase. Your better bet would be to no longer allow free agent signing of players that would still be considered Minors eligible so basically anyone under 40 games played can't be signed via FA.
Then open your drafts to all players under 40 games that are still FA's so not only current draft but all previous drafts.
That way teams can draft players that are closer to making the NHL instead of having to invest 3-4 years in advance.
You have to admit that after 2nd round guys are usually just drafting a name because the NHL Scouts did. where is the strategy or the knowledge with that. Large MiLR's are just that a hoarding place where GM's hardly know anything more than the guys name for about 75% of them.
You also pointed out that gms may have to drop guys and to me that is where the skill comes in, making the tough choices of who has the talent to actually make it. It doesn't devalue picks at all for savvy GMs that research their minors.
it also forces a choice of build for 2-3 yrs from now with a guy that maybe higher skill or higher potential or do you draft that guy that is a step away from a regular gig but probably a 3rd 4th liner.
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I'm not a fan of drafting draftees from prior years. It's too easy to cherry pick prospects that have already matured through two levels of the minors.
One of the reasons I find Franchise NHL challenging is because you not only have to assemble a competitive ML team but also develop a strong pipeline of prospects to eventually feed your parent club. That's the cool factor for me in this league.
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we'll move fwd with an increase to 20 MiLR spots starting in 2013-14.
enough leagues on profsl already offer drafts with players eligible from prior yrs so there's no need to mimic that here.
rules will be updated.
plan accordingly.