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Fantasy Leagues => Dynasty NHL => NHL Leagues => Dynasty NHL: Archive => Topic started by: Rob on July 31, 2019, 05:26:53 PM
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We've dissected this topic several times throughout the years. Let's make the call.
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I would say that if this rule change goes forward we should look at revising how we discount real life defenseman salaries to 66% to get our resign values. It seems like adding blocked shots will impact the value of defensemen more then forwards.
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It'll also affect things as early as this year's FA.
The other question is what value are you going to put on them?
Same point value as hits?
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I would say that if this rule change goes forward we should look at revising how we discount real life defenseman salaries to 66% to get our resign values. It seems like adding blocked shots will impact the value of defensemen more then forwards.
Yes, the reduction would have to go away. That's part of this for sure. Defense salaries would go up to 100%.
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It'll also affect things as early as this year's FA.
The other question is what value are you going to put on them?
Same point value as hits?
Yea, for sure. 0.25 seems like a good idea. Same as hit or SoG.
Though if any of our more analytical members want to flesh it out a bit to see what works best, I'm all ears.
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Yes, the reduction would have to go away. That's part of this for sure. Goalie salaries would go up to 100%.
Goalie salaries are reduced as well?
Wow, I'm behind the times here...
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Goalie salaries are reduced as well?
Wow, I'm behind the times here...
Nah I just can't type :P
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I'm going to propose that extension values will be updated 1/1/20 with D players losing that reduction. Early extensions with the old reduced values will be allowed right up until the New Year.
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Rob, can you change it on Fantrax to incorporate block shots for like a day and I can compile a spreadsheet of a before and after affect. Right now it isn't a tracked stat and I'd need to go in and add block shots per player by looking it up.
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Rob, can you change it on Fantrax to incorporate block shots for like a day and I can compile a spreadsheet of a before and after affect. Right now it isn't a tracked stat and I'd need to go in and add block shots per player by looking it up.
I created a dummy league - you should all see it in your Leagues on Fantrax. I added Blocks at 0.25.
Corey - you should be setup as a commissioner and you can mess with the point value to see how it works at 0.5, or other figures.
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Attached is a quick thing. Basically if you want to take the D-man contract reduction away, making them have the same contract value as forwards, we'd probably want them to score at a similar rate and to do that the blocked shots should be worth .5
Doing that puts the average of the top 140 d-men at 2.56 while the top 140 C is 2.75 and top 140 wingers 2.67
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Attached is a quick thing. Basically if you want to take the D-man contract reduction away, making them have the same contract value as forwards, we'd probably want them to score at a similar rate and to do that the blocked shots should be worth .5
Doing that puts the average of the top 140 d-men at 2.56 while the top 140 C is 2.75 and top 140 wingers 2.67
They wouldn't have the same contract value as forwards, they would just be the same as they are in the NHL and not reduced. The top D man right now would be around $9m, the #10 would be $7m, #20 would be $6m. But if you compare that with ALL forwards (not just lw/rw/c individually), they're still less expensive. For this reason I believe 0.25 is sufficient. We're not going to be able to match Forwards - there's something like 75 forwards who are over 3PPG last year and there's only 20 or so Defensemen - and that difference gets more staggering when you go to 2PPG. And I'm comparing at 0.50 pts per block.
You can keep increasing to 1.0, 1.5, whatever and I still don't think you get any closer to the scale of forwards. Also - forwards get blocks too so it's somewhat relative.
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They wouldn't have the same contract value as forwards, they would just be the same as they are in the NHL and not reduced. The top D man right now would be around $9m, the #10 would be $7m, #20 would be $6m. But if you compare that with ALL forwards (not just lw/rw/c individually), they're still less expensive. For this reason I believe 0.25 is sufficient. We're not going to be able to match Forwards - there's something like 75 forwards who are over 3PPG last year and there's only 20 or so Defensemen - and that difference gets more staggering when you go to 2PPG. And I'm comparing at 0.50 pts per block.
You can keep increasing to 1.0, 1.5, whatever and I still don't think you get any closer to the scale of forwards. Also - forwards get blocks too so it's somewhat relative.
I think the perfect mix would be exactly twice as many forwards over 3PPG than there are D-men. This means (at 0.50 points per block) we'd need to get 20 more defensemen over that 3PPG mark to scale with forwards. That's not going to happen solely by adding BS, regardless of the value we set it to.
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Attached is a quick thing. Basically if you want to take the D-man contract reduction away, making them have the same contract value as forwards, we'd probably want them to score at a similar rate and to do that the blocked shots should be worth .5
Doing that puts the average of the top 140 d-men at 2.56 while the top 140 C is 2.75 and top 140 wingers 2.67
Split the difference! No way Blocked Shots should be worth more than Hits or Shots. Introduce Blocked Shots at .25 and cut the discount in half rather than doing away with it entirely. Should work out nicely and is much less disruptive.
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Split the difference! No way Blocked Shots should be worth more than Hits or Shots. Introduce Blocked Shots at .25 and cut the discount in half rather than doing away with it entirely. Should work out nicely and is much less disruptive.
Not a bad idea. I see a 20% increase in production in the top 140 for BS at 0.25pts. A 20% increase in the cap would be about the same as splitting the difference (18% reduction or so... .Round it up to 20%?).
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Not a bad idea. I see a 20% increase in production in the top 140 for BS at 0.25pts. A 20% increase in the cap would be about the same as splitting the difference (18% reduction or so... .Round it up to 20%?).
:iatp: Would love to see the dummy fantrax adjusted to .25 to see the effect.
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:iatp: Would love to see the dummy fantrax adjusted to .25 to see the effect.
Done, go look now.