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Fantasy Leagues => NHL Leagues => Franchise NHL => Topic started by: Mordecai on August 06, 2020, 11:59:08 AM
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Perhaps consider rolling back the 2021-22 salary cap to below 81.5 million, even below $78.0 million.
WHY?
With FNHL adding the Seattle Kraken for the 2021-22 season, the 32nd team will absorb lots of existing salary.
My understanding is the skater increases this year were to a) keep value current with actual NHL player contracts and b) create the necessary cap tension in this league to allow for a more robust Free Agency annually.
So I think it would be good for our league (FNHL) to reduce, not just maintain the salary cap ceiling if we want to create some proper player movement and incent owners toward making more transactions.
Full disclosure, my Habs are going to easily need WAY MORE cap space starting now through next year so this recommendation does NOT benefit my team at all - in fact it will negatively impact my Habs.
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Perhaps consider rolling back the 2021-22 salary cap to below 81.5 million, even below $78.0 million.
WHY?
With FNHL adding the Seattle Kraken for the 2021-22 season, the 32nd team will absorb lots of existing salary.
My understanding is the skater increases this year were to a) keep value current with actual NHL player contracts and b) create the necessary cap tension in this league to allow for a more robust Free Agency annually.
So I think it would be good for our league (FNHL) to reduce, not just maintain the salary cap ceiling if we want to create some proper player movement and incent owners toward making more transactions.
Full disclosure, my Habs are going to easily need WAY MORE cap space starting now through next year so this recommendation does NOT benefit my team at all - in fact it will negatively impact my Habs.
I've broken this out to a new thread.
Worth discussing as a league.
Lots of good points to decrease the cap as we head towards expansion again.
Let's hear it FNHL owners!
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I’ll pass. Based on the way I manage my teams. Being a builder through the draft I feel this would punish so to say one who has success in drafting. Plus not real sure why player movement is an issue in this league. There are quite a lot of trades in the league year in and year out
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I think what's being asked is a salary cap ceiling decrease and breaking from the FNHL tradition of following NHL announced cap floor and ceiling.
Well, I guess it all comes down to $$ amount of the decrease. If it's a significant decrease, it could hurt the majority of teams and goes against the "spirit of fun" in a fantasy league.
Also, consider how skater extension values have just been increased and how the expansion draft will cause teams to lose a valuable asset. Both actions impact teams negatively already and to throw in a cap drop seems like it could be excessive.
Mind you, given the pandemic, the NHL might be forced to reduce the cap ceiling anyways in 2021-22 so it could still happen naturally whether FNHL owners vote to introduce it artificially or not.
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I recall the Vegas expansion draft and how it created extra cap space for teams around the league. That resulted in a less than stellar crop of Free Agents that year and the rich remained rich while the poor struggled to build a contender.
I would actually vote to artificially reduce the 2021-22 cap ceiling to ensure we have continued natural player movement via trades and FA as teams would need to work their budgets to fit the cap.
My suggestion would be for a 5% rollback from the 2020-21 cap ceiling of $81.5M.
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My vote is to keep it aligned with the NHL salary cap like we do today ... keeps it simple and isn't really an issue that needs "fixed".
I think the increased salary bans will cause more free agency / player movement organically ... and we do already have quite a bit of trade activity.
My $0.02
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My vote is to keep it aligned with the NHL salary cap like we do today ... keeps it simple and isn't really an issue that needs "fixed".
I think the increased salary bans will cause more free agency / player movement organically ... and we do already have quite a bit of trade activity.
My $0.02
:iatp:
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I need to think about this one some more... I don’t like changing a fundamental rule like FNHL salary cap alignment with the NHL. However, I do recall how the Vegas expansion draft gave teams extra cap space and that coupled with a higher cap lead to a poor FA crop.
Is it a big problem... let me sleep on it!
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I need to think about this one some more... I don’t like changing a fundamental rule like FNHL salary cap alignment with the NHL. However, I do recall how the Vegas expansion draft gave teams extra cap space and that coupled with a higher cap lead to a poor FA crop.
Is it a big problem... let me sleep on it!
I’m the same; I’d need to sleep on this.
We have a significant bump in skater valuations already so void of forecasting total league player salary values I’d lean towards adjusting in a future season.
Always good to hear ideas and tangent variations of the ideas coming from the collective
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I feel it could be too much too soon to implement that type of cap reduction change the same year we are introducing significant value adjustments to skater extensions.
If we do make that change, do so in 2022-23 the year after expansion and the skater extension increases.
5% does appear to be a reasonable rollback figure for 2022-23.
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Though true what happened with the Vegas expansion in FNHL, I am with the camp that feels it is not the time to rollback the cap ceiling.
Mordecai makes a great point, and being the owner of more than one of the league’s under performers, I appreciate the thinking behind the suggestion at this time.
I will agree with BB’s recommendation to rollback by 5% the following season to help keep things in check.
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I would like to see this rollback of 5% from the NHL's cap ceiling for 2021-22. It's a good suggestion to ensure some additional cap tension gets introduced because as we saw last off season, there were tons of teams with too much cap and not enough players entering Free Agency.
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Ultimately, a 5% rollback of any salary cap ceiling is a drop in the hat.
For example, 5% off $81.5 million is 4$ million.
Many FNHL teams had well over $10-$15 million heading into FA last yr and the FA talent pool ended up being blaaaaaah to say the least.
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Ultimately, a 5% rollback of any salary cap ceiling is a drop in the hat.
For example, 5% off $81.5 million is 4$ million.
Many FNHL teams had well over $10-$15 million heading into FA last yr and the FA talent pool ended up being blaaaaaah to say the least.
:iatp: That's the point. It's not a significant rollback by any means. This would help level the playing field for all franchises.
Again, my team has more to lose than gain from this BUT if the league is better off, we are all better off in the long run. :toast::win:
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Ultimately, a 5% rollback of any salary cap ceiling is a drop in the hat.
For example, 5% off $81.5 million is 4$ million.
Many FNHL teams had well over $10-$15 million heading into FA last yr and the FA talent pool ended up being blaaaaaah to say the least.
:iatp: That's the point. It's not a significant rollback by any means. This would help level the playing field for all franchises.
Again, my team has more to lose than gain from this BUT if the league is better off, we are all better off in the long run. :toast::win:
Mind you, given the pandemic, the NHL might be forced to reduce the cap ceiling anyways in 2021-22 so it could still happen naturally whether FNHL owners vote to introduce it artificially or not.
:iatp::iatp: I have to say, at first I wasn't in favour of a rollback but after hearing the pros and cons, I am on board for a small rollback to keep all teams in the league in check financially.
I do think the NHL will naturally rollback the cap given how COVID-19 has cut deep into league revenues due to zero attendance and very limited merchandise sales since the pandemic started and there doesn't appear to be a end to this at least not before the midpoint of the 2020-21 season at best.
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Colorado would prefer to wait and see. Following NHL cap just seems simpler and we can keep an eye on this going forward.
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How about park this decision by saying for the 2021-22 FNHL cap:
A) Roll back by 5% IF NHL cap ceiling is => $81.5M (equal or greater than)
B) Maintain and mirror NHL cap ceiling if < $81.5M (less than)
Thoughts?
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How about park this decision by saying for the 2021-22 FNHL cap:
A) Roll back by 5% IF NHL cap ceiling is => $81.5M (equal or greater than)
B) Maintain and mirror NHL cap ceiling if < $81.5M (less than)
Thoughts?
:winner::winner::winner:
:iatp: :toast: That would be a smart move. :iatp:
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How about park this decision by saying for the 2021-22 FNHL cap:
A) Roll back by 5% IF NHL cap ceiling is => $81.5M (equal or greater than)
B) Maintain and mirror NHL cap ceiling if < $81.5M (less than)
Thoughts?
:iatp: I agree with Wild Thing. Fantasy cap leagues need this type of safe guard against artificially large amounts of salary cap room given there is no real-world-like free market to help keep contracts and team cap levels in check through negotiations. This type of conditional rule will keep cap in check.
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Never a dull moment.
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I need to think about this one some more... I don’t like changing a fundamental rule like FNHL salary cap alignment with the NHL. However, I do recall how the Vegas expansion draft gave teams extra cap space and that coupled with a higher cap lead to a poor FA crop.
Is it a big problem... let me sleep on it!
After taking time to reflect on this suggestion, I do have to say it has some merit. If nothing else, I would like to see FNHL take a leadership role where decisions are made for the overall welfare of the league and this could be the type of change that gets our league closer to an even playing field by causing the “haves” in the league to make tough decisions after the expansion draft to get under the cap ceiling.
Either way, this is worth a vote to get official input from all FNHL owners.
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After taking time to reflect on this suggestion, I do have to say it has some merit. If nothing else, I would like to see FNHL take a leadership role where decisions are made for the overall welfare of the league and this could be the type of change that gets our league closer to an even playing field by causing the “haves” in the league to make tough decisions after the expansion draft to get under the cap ceiling.
Either way, this is worth a vote to get official input from all FNHL owners.
I'll post a poll and run it for the FNHL standard 30 days.
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I'll post a poll and run it for the FNHL standard 30 days.
Didn't mean to give your post a thumbs down, PPG ... I thought it was the poll (http://www.profsl.com/smf/Smileys/default/doh.gif) (http://www.profsl.com/smf/Smileys/default/rotfl.gif)
First time I had seen this new feature.
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Didn't mean to give your post a thumbs down, PPG ... I thought it was the poll (http://www.profsl.com/smf/Smileys/default/doh.gif) (http://www.profsl.com/smf/Smileys/default/rotfl.gif)
First time I had seen this new feature.
I won't hold it against you - for more than a 1yr. :rofl:
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Perhaps consider rolling back the 2021-22 salary cap to below 81.5 million, even below $78.0 million.
WHY?
With FNHL adding the Seattle Kraken for the 2021-22 season, the 32nd team will absorb lots of existing salary.
My understanding is the skater increases this year were to a) keep value current with actual NHL player contracts and b) create the necessary cap tension in this league to allow for a more robust Free Agency annually.
So I think it would be good for our league (FNHL) to reduce, not just maintain the salary cap ceiling if we want to create some proper player movement and incent owners toward making more transactions.
Full disclosure, my Habs are going to easily need WAY MORE cap space starting now through next year so this recommendation does NOT benefit my team at all - in fact it will negatively impact my Habs.
Hope everyone's seeing the value of this upcoming cap ceiling rollback.
FNHL free agency this year is looking bleak. That means the rich stay rich and the poor stay put in the league cellar. A polarized league is not exiting long term.
We all want to see teams able to rebuild on the fly and top teams feel the financial pressure of keeping their top players year over year. And more importantly, we want strong league wide competition for the big prize year after year. :win::win::win:
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Hope everyone's seeing the value of this upcoming cap ceiling rollback.
FNHL free agency this year is looking bleak. That means the rich stay rich and the poor stay put in the league cellar. A polarized league is not exiting long term.
We all want to see teams able to rebuild on the fly and top teams feel the financial pressure of keeping their top players year over year. And more importantly, we want strong league wide competition for the big prize year after year. :win::win::win:
:iatp::iatp::iatp::winner:
Hindsight is 20/20 and looking back, it really does make sense now that the gates have opened on free agency and there are few to no decent players hitting the market. I would speculate the teams that voted against the cap roll back have a high number of extensions to consider towards the end of this season.
Good decision to roll back by a clear majority of the league's owners. :winner:
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Perhaps consider rolling back the 2021-22 salary cap to below 81.5 million, even below $78.0 million.
WHY?
With FNHL adding the Seattle Kraken for the 2021-22 season, the 32nd team will absorb lots of existing salary.
My understanding is the skater increases this year were to a) keep value current with actual NHL player contracts and b) create the necessary cap tension in this league to allow for a more robust Free Agency annually.
So I think it would be good for our league (FNHL) to reduce, not just maintain the salary cap ceiling if we want to create some proper player movement and incent owners toward making more transactions.
Full disclosure, my Habs are going to easily need WAY MORE cap space starting now through next year so this recommendation does NOT benefit my team at all - in fact it will negatively impact my Habs.
:MON-NHL: has a ton to lose because of this initiative so good for you Morty for initiating this discussion!!!
Making the league better means we all enjoy a better fantasy hockey experience. :judge::winner::toast:
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:MON-NHL: has a ton to lose because of this initiative so good for you Morty for initiating this discussion!!!
Making the league better means we all enjoy a better fantasy hockey experience. :judge::winner::toast:
:thumbsup::thumbsup::iatp: I think it'll be good longrun. :thumbsup:
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:MON-NHL: has a ton to lose because of this initiative so good for you Morty for initiating this discussion!!!
Making the league better means we all enjoy a better fantasy hockey experience. :judge::winner::toast:
I agree good watching out for competition. We need more ways to fuel rebuilding.
Mathematically we have overloaded the scale w 150m coming off via this vote and 300m in player salary increases and then Seattle will eat another 75. We were at maybe 350 headed into FA... maybe this is the sweet spot to force more FAs
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:MON-NHL: has a ton to lose because of this initiative so good for you Morty for initiating this discussion!!!
Making the league better means we all enjoy a better fantasy hockey experience. :judge::winner::toast:
:iatp: Thanks man. If I'm going to invest my time here, this league might as well be the best damn league it possibly can be for all of us and longterm.