Need New Scoring System

[yahoolando]

Fair enough. Great job Jeremy. Have a good weekend. Ciao.

[Jss0062]

I Started running numbers with the numbers I proposed, they needed some work.  Outfielders got overvalued with assists, first base and catcher also needed some work, shortstop was still low.

This lead me to look into errors.  I took errors per assist and divided it by the assist ratio from the earlier numbers.  This gives an error penalty that works each position with higher error positions such as 3B and SS with lower penalties and the low error outfield positions with higher penalties.

The numbers a lot better but didn't reflect dWAR so I added in postion bonuses to the assist numbers and error numbers.

The numbers from earlier are updated to this

No Change to the PPP number for any positions

No Change to PPA for
Pitchers
Left Field
Right Field
Catchers

First base   PPA = 0.677
Second base  PPA = 0.263
Third base PPA = 0.395
Shortstop PPA = 0.314
Center Field PPA = 15.383


Error penalties would be as follows.

Pitchers -7.52
Catchers -9.75
First Base -12.68
Second Base -5.94
Third Base -3.71
Shortstop -2.48
Left Field -19.92
Center Field -16.33
Right Field -18.17

[chrisetc21]

Damn, is it possible to take two players, one good defender and one bad defender, and see the defensive point differential?

[Jss0062]

Comparisons from the 2013 season

The top 5 in dWAR were
1) SS Anderalton Simmons 5.4 dWAR
2) CF Carlos Gomez 4.6 dWAR
3) 3B Manny Machado 4.4 dWAR
4) RF/CF Gerardo Parra 4.0 dWAR
5) 3B Nolan Arenado 3.6 dWAR

other examples
9) C Russell Martin 2.6 dWAR   best defensive catcher to the eye test
10) 2B Dustin Pedroia 2.3 dWAR top 2nd baseman
LF Alex Gordan 1.3 dWAR 5 time gold glove winner likely 6th this year
1B Anthony Rizzo 0.6 dWAR first base leader
8) C Welington Castillo 2.8 dWAR
SS J.J. Hardy 2.0 dWAR

Here are the numbers current then proposed in ().

Simmons     133.8 (218.9) tied for highest dWAR ever
Gomez          75.6 (194.8) 6th best dWAR ever
Machado       81.2 (195.3) tied for 8th best dWAR ever
Parra               67 (183.7) 17 assist vs 5 errors
Arenado          69 (162.3)
Martin         197.2 (176.2) corrects C putout problem
Pedroia       131.6 (163.2)
Gordan            67 (260.3)  17 assist vs 1 error
Rizzo          282.2 (127.6) corrects 1B putout problem
Castillo          153 (60.8) 10 errors,  dWAR is based off catching base stealers and limiting passed balls
Hardy          114.6 (189.7)

[Jss0062]

Smoking Gun, is it possible to take two players, one good defender and one bad defender, and see the defensive point differential?

who do you want to see?

[chrisetc21]

who do you want to see?

Cabrera and Machado at 3B, that should be a good contrast.

[Jss0062]

Cabrera and Machado at 3B, that should be a good contrast.

Miggy under current system 42.2 defensive points, 105.65 under proposed system
Machado current system 81.2, 195.3 under proposed system

[yahoolando]

We....I like it

[chrisetc21]

Miggy under current system 42.2 defensive points, 105.65 under proposed system
Machado current system 81.2, 195.3 under proposed system

That is pretty good.  Makes the defense really matter.  Thank you for work!

[haseloff]

Great work!