Need New Scoring System

[Jss0062]

Anyone else have any thoughts?  Also we need some adjustment to better include base running stats probably using extra bases taken. Thoughts?

[ThePetis]

As a new owner, I'm obviously a little behind in this conversation, but hopefully I can add some value.  One of the reasons I wanted to join this league was that there was some value placed on defensive stats.  As someone mentioned earlier, if defensive stats were removed, we are one step closer to just being any other league out there.

I am in another league that uses defensive stats, so I thought I'd share how they score it.  To be fair, it's not perfect, but it does help even out the positions a little better. 

Catchers:
0.4 Assists
-1 Catcher's Interference
-0.5 Passed Ball
-0.5 Stolen Base Allowed

Infielders:
0.67 Assists

Outfielders:
2.5 Outfield Assists
0.4 Putout

Side note:  To help weight the positions, catchers also received 0.05 points per AB while other batters are docked -0.5.  This kind of skews catchers a little higher than intended, though.

So, as you can see, infielders/catchers do not get any credit for putouts.  I realize that is a different league with a different scoring system, but just wanted to give you an idea of how others handle it.  Lando mentioned that each position can be scored separately, so it's an option worth looking into. 

[Colby]

ThePetis, PM me about your other league.  Folks, check out Franchise GM as another great example of defensive scoring.

[Jss0062]

We got age limits taken care of any movement on scoring?


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[yahoolando]

We got age limits taken care of any movement on scoring?


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Well we aren't changing it for this year but the thoughts about updating the Defensive stats per position is a start.

[Maydab23]

Maybe we can select a few of the best ideas and put them up for vote to be implemented for 2015?

[Fitzy1962]

I think Assists should be worth slightly more than putouts as catching a ball compared with catching at throwing multiplies the chance of error by double.

Or maybe we normalize the assists like you have shown and then lessen the putouts by a certain percentage?

Nice work!

I agree with you. Catching and throwing is more difficult. I have played every position outside of 2nd base at some point. It was a lot more work playing any of the other infield positions besides 1st base, which I also played. It's widely accepted that 1st base is generally the weakest fielder on the team, with exceptions, of course.

[sommersd]

To bring this back a bit on offense, have we considered instead of 1pt per total base as it currently is, moving to a wOBA-like system? The point system would be the constants for the 2012 formula:

unintentional walk: 0.691 (or all walks w/ intentional walks worth the negative)
HBP: 0.722
1B: 0.884
2B: 1.257
3B: 1.593
HR: 2.058

This fits a more realistic system, where doubles are not in fact worth 2x as much as a single, and singles are worth a little more than a walk.

Thoughts?

[Jss0062]

I think the bigger fish to fry in this league is defensive positional values. 

[sommersd]

I entirely agree, entirely. But why not look at offense as well while we're at it. Better to get all changes in at once than to have to make changes year after year, no?