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Need Opinions - Rules of a potential new league
« on: February 13, 2013, 04:07:48 PM »
I hope Pigs doesnt mind me throwing this out there.  I am working on drafting some rules for a potential 30 team league.  Still very much in planning and no where near reality yet.
key points:  1) Player salaries and contracts will display on both fantrax and league page
2) trades can be proposed and accepted via fantrax , only a tracking post would need to be posted on league page.
3) MiLR players can be freely called up and demoted as needed. Since I can set a cap on Fantrax and the salaries will be ported over Teams would still not be able to go over cap when using them.  There is automated rules in place that will prevent teams from demoting none MiLR compliant players. Only once a player has been permanently promoted would a tracking post need to be made on the league page. (less posting work for GMs and commish)
4) A completely re-vamped FA bidding to try and balance the disparity between 1 yr contracts to 5 year. 
5) signing bonus so teams can front load a contract in their first year.

Anyways have at it, slice it, dice it, rip it apart, tell me what you like , love, hate.  Just want opinions on it now.   What you think will work , what doesnt work, etc.
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Roster Settings
•   MLR – 30 max players, active roster is 4c, 4rw, 4lw, 6d and 1G, 11 Bench
•   Minor league minimum is 0 and maximum 10.
Scoring:
Scoring Group   Scoring Category   Position   Points
Skaters   Assists (A)   Default   2
Skaters   Blocks (Blk)   Default   0.25
Skaters   Faceoffs Lost (FOL)   Default   -0.125
Skaters   Faceoffs Won (FOW)   Default   0.125
Skaters   Goals (G)   Default   3
Skaters   Hits (Hit)   Default   0.25
Skaters   Penalty Minutes (PIM)   Default   0.25
Skaters   Plus/Minus (+/-)   Default   1
Skaters   Shots on Goal (SOG)   Default   0.2
Skaters   Power Play Points (PPP)   Default   1
Skaters   Short Handed Points (SHP)   Default   2
Goalies   Losses (L)   Default   -1
Goalies   Saves (SV)   Default   0.125
Goalies   Shutouts (SHO)   Default   2
Goalies   Wins (W)   Default   4

Releasing/Buying out Players

Players that are Minor league will not incur a cap hit when released.

Any released player must first clear a 72 hour waiver period at which point any team in the league may make a claim and assume the player's contract, relieving the releasing teams obligation to the player. 

If the player clears waivers the releasing team can buyout the contract.  The buyout for a player is equal to 66% of the players total remaining contract.  This buyout may be paid out all at once in the current contract year, or it may be financed over their remaining number of years.  The buyout cannot be financed longer than the current remaining contract.  For example, a player with 2 years left on his contract cannot be bought out over 3 years.  The maximum buyout years for that player is 2 years.

Waiver priority is determined by our standings.  The team in last place at time of waiver claim has highest priority. The priority list follows from worst to first in the standings.  In the offseason the final rankings of the prior season will determine the priority list and after a successful waiver claim the team making the claim moves to the bottom of the waiver priority list.  During the season teams making waiver claims do not move to the bottom, only in the offseason.  All waiver claims are made on the transaction board.  A waiver claim is considered successful once 72 hours have passed with no other claims from teams with higher priority.   

***The 72 hour waiver clock does NOT begin when the release is made.  It starts when the commissioner posts that the waiver is active.***

Example of buying out a contract:
D Drew Doughty, $6.8m (2014-2015)
Remaining contract value: $20.4m
1 year buyout: X D Drew Doughty, $13.5m (2012-2013)
2 year buyout: X D Drew Doughty, $6.8m (2013-2014)
3 year buyout: X D Drew Doughty, $4.5m (2014-2015)

***A GM may at any time decide to re-allocate funds to a buyout.  For instance, if LA is to buyout Doughty over 3 years, but in year 2 he realizes he has funds to spare, he may use funds in the 2nd year to pay off some or all of what he owes in the 3rd year in order to clear up future cap space.

Players that retire , change leagues or whatever else will still incur a cap hit. This is the risk you take signing long term contracts.

Contracts

•   Minimum contract is 250k per year.
•   Max contract is 5 years.
•   Contracts will be displayed on both League page and on Fantrax.
Prospect Contracts

•   All prospect contracts start at 250k.  Their contracts do not count against the cap while in the Minors.
•   Minors contracts extend indefinitely until they are no longer minors eligible. 
•   Minors eligibility is based on age (max 25) or games played at NHL level (60 career total), whichever comes first.
•   The year that they are no longer eligible for the minor league will be the first year of their contract. Example: Patrice Cormier plays 80games this year , his contract this year  will be 200k - 1st year. Next year his contract would move to 2nd year. If he fails to play 80 games, his contract next year would stay at 1st year.
•   Prospects can not be signed via Free Agency and can only be drafted.
•   MILR eligible players can be moved freely from MILR to MLR as long as they don’t surpass eligibility.
•   A MILR player that has passed eligibility can remain on the MILR for the duration of that given year but will be promoted during the offseason.
•   Once a player has been surpassed MILR eligibility and moved to the main roster a transaction should be posted on the league page so rosters can be updated.




Free Agency

•   All players that are in the free agent pool and not MILR eligible are considered Free Agents. 
•   Max contract is 5 years and Min is 1 yr.
•   To pick up a free agent you must create a post under the players name with a total contract bid. Contracts can be no longer than 5 years.  Minimum bid is 250k and bids will be in multiples of 250k per year.  The contract amount can not vary year to year.

 Bids must be in this format. (length * yearly salary = total contract value)
A player is won by the highest total contract value followed. Tie break goes to the team bidding the longer number of years due to the commitment. 

The highest contract value wins the bid.
Contracts will have a diminishing value for each year. (This is only for the purpose of determining a winning bid)
1 yr - 100 % value
2nd yr - 50%
3rd yr - 50%
4th yr – 25%
5th yr – 25%

this means 10 million @ 3 yrs will equal a 20 million value (10 + 5+5)
if you bid 10million @ 5 yrs it would have a 25 million value (10+5+5+2.5+2.5)

so in this example to win this bid with a 1 yr offer you would need to bid 25.25 million @ 1 yr. (the tie in value goes to the longer contract)

To give a more realistic example.

If you bid Dan Boyle - 3 yrs @ 5 million (5+2.5+2.5) = 10 mill contract value.

next bid could be 3 yrs @ 6 mill (6+3+3) = 12 mill contract value.
5 yrs @ 5 million = 12.25 mill contract value.

There is no limit to the number of players that can be auctioned at one time or the number of bids for a player.  A bid on a player is considered final when 48 hours has passed since the last bid.

At no time can a team be over the cap unless they can make immediate changes in their roster(drop a player) You can not sign a player that will put you over the cap or over your roster limit expecting to make a trade. You must be able to make an immediate roster move in order to make room or keep under the cap. 
Anyone guilty of that will receive a warning and next offense will be fined their next years 3rd pick, if you don't have your 3rd pick your 2nd, no picks will result in commissioner levying a penalty at his own discretion..
•   Signings, trades and transactions can be made anytime during our regular season up until trade deadline after which trades and FA signings are locked until the offseason.
•   Signing bonuses can be offered to a max of 3 million. They count as a cap hit in the year offered and can only be offered in multiples of 1 million.  Signing bonus are counted as 100% towards contract value.
(ex. Team A bits 3 yrs @ 10 mill + 3 million SB = 23 mill TCV (10+5+5+3)
 
Yearly Rookie Draft

•   Trading of draft picks IS allowed up to 1 year in advance. (picks for 2014 can be traded in 2013 season)
•   We will have a 3 round prospect draft each year for the drafting of Minor leaguers. 
•   Draft order will be determined by reverse order of standings in the regular season.
•   Only players currently drafted by an NHL team are allowed and must meet minor league eligibility.

Injured Players

•   Each team has 2 IR spots for injured players.  While on IR Injured players do not count against your cap or roster limit.
•   IR spots can only be used for long term injuries.  You can leave a player on IR for an entire season even after they return playing but will be added back to your roster in the offseason.
•   ****** please note should you bump a minor league player up to fill the spot once they complete their 60 nhl games you will not be able to move them back to the minors*****

Cap

•   Our cap is currently set at 70 million. 


Trades

•   There will be a trade deadline set each year.
•   Teams can not trade cap space but can retain a portion of a players contract equaling up to 25%  when trading a player.  (Ex. Team A has yashin at 10million @ x years.  Can trade him to team B.  His contract now becomes 7.5m @ remaining year and team A retains 2.5 million as a cap hit @ remaining years. 
•   signings, trades and transactions can be made anytime during our regular season up until trade deadline after which trades and FA signings are locked until the offseason
•   Trades will be veto’d/approved solely by the primary commissioner’s discretion.
•   Trades can be proposed and accepted through fantrax, although a tracking note should be made under transactions on league page.
Contract Limits for Extensions
Contract extensions follow the contract maximum lengths as shown above as well as their own minimum standards.

Salary - Min & Max Years
$6.5m+ - 5 years (the overall limit)
$5 to $6.4m - 4 or 5 years
$3.5 to $4.9m - 3 or 4 years
$2 to $3.4m - 2 or 3 years
$0 to $1.9m - 1 or 2 years

Extensions
You may extend a player's contract in any year, but if it is during the contract, then the new contract must be no less and no shorter than the current remaining contract. Teams have rights to players whose contracts just ended in the off-season until either the player is prematurely released or off-season FA starts.  All contract extensions begin immediately and replace current contracts.

***All extensions done during the season are effective immediately, meaning the first year of the contract is the current year.  (added 1/23/12)

Contract extensions are based on looking up the player's highest ranking by position in both the current season and the last season. If an extension is done during the season and before the trade deadline, then the previous TWO seasons and the current season must be looked at. In the off-season, the last two seasons will be used.  If a player has multiple positions, the contract must be equal to, or greater than, the higher salary of the positions.

Any player ranked below the lowest ranking available here will extend at $800k.

***Extension values are based on actual player contracts found here:  http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/players. . 

Extension Values Per Position
Center   
1   8.7
2   8.7
3   8.3
4   7.7
5   7.5
6   7.4
7   7.0
8   7.0
9   6.9
10   6.8
11   6.8
12   6.7
13   6.7
14   6.7
15   6.6
16   6.3
17   6.1
18   6.0
19   5.9
20   5.8
21   5.5
22   5.5
23   5.5
24   5.4
25   5.3
26   5.3
27   5.3
28   5.0
29   5.0
30   5.0
31   5.0
32   4.8
33   4.8
34   4.7
35   4.6
36   4.5
37   4.5
38   4.5
39   4.5
40   4.5
41   4.2
42   4.2
43   4.2
44   4.1
45   4.1
46   4.0
47   4.0
48   4.0
49   4.0
50   4.0
51   4.0
52   4.0
53   3.9
54   3.8
55   3.8
56   3.8
57   3.8
58   3.8
59   3.6
60   3.5
61   3.5
62   3.5
63   3.5
64   3.4
65   3.4
66   3.3
67   3.3
68   3.3
69   3.2
70   3.2
71   3.2
72   3.2
73   3.1
74   3.1
75   3.1
76   3.1
77   3.0
78   3.0
79   3.0
80   2.9
81   2.8
82   2.8
83   2.8
84   2.5
85   2.5
86   2.5
87   2.5
88   2.5
89   2.4
90   2.4
91   2.3
92   2.3
93   2.2
94   2.1
95   2.1
96   2.1
97   2.0
98   2.0
99   1.9
100   1.9
101   1.9
102   1.9
103   1.9
104   1.8
105   1.8
106   1.8
107   1.8
108   1.8
109   1.7
110   1.7
111   1.7
112   1.7
113   1.7
114   1.7
115   1.7
116   1.7
117   1.7
118   1.6
119   1.6
120   1.6
121   1.6
122   1.6
123   1.6
124   1.6
125   1.5
126   1.5
127   1.5
128   1.5
129   1.5
130   1.4
131   1.4
132   1.4
133   1.4
134   1.4
135   1.4
136   1.4
137   1.4
138   1.3
139   1.3
140   1.3
141   1.3
142   1.2
143   1.2
144   1.2
145   1.2
146   1.2
147   1.2
148   1.2
149   1.1
150   1.1
151   1.1
152   1.1
153   1.1
154   1.1
155   1.1
156   1.1
157   1.1
158   1.1
159   1.1
160   1.0
161   1.0
162   1.0
163   1.0
164   1.0
165   1.0
166   1.0
167   1.0
168   1.0
169   1.0
170   0.9
171   0.9
172   0.9
173   0.9
174   0.9
175   0.9
176   0.9
177   0.9
178   0.9
179   0.9
180   0.9
181   0.9
182   0.9
183   0.9
184   0.9
185   0.9
186   0.9
187   0.9
188   0.9
189   0.9
190   0.9
191   0.9
192   0.9
193   0.9
194   0.9
195   0.9
196   0.9
197   0.9
198   0.9
199   0.9
200   0.9
201   0.9
202   0.9
203   0.9
204   0.9
205   0.9
206   0.9
207   0.9
208   0.9
209   0.9
210   0.9
211   0.9
212   0.9
213   0.9
214   0.9
215   0.9
216   0.9
217   0.9
218   0.9
219   0.9
220   0.9
221   0.9
222   0.9
223   0.9
224   0.9
225   0.9
226   0.9
227   0.9
228   0.9
229   0.9
230   0.9
231   0.9
232   0.9
233   0.9
234   0.9
235   0.9
236   0.9
237   0.9
238   0.9
239   0.9
240   0.9
241   0.9
242   0.9
243   0.9
   
Left Wing
1   9.5
2   7.8
3   7.5
4   7.5
5   7.5
6   7.1
7   7.0
8   6.7
9   6.1
10   6.1
11   6.0
12   5.3
13   5.3
14   5.0
15   5.0
16   4.5
17   4.5
18   4.5
19   4.5
20   4.5
21   4.4
22   4.3
23   4.3
24   4.3
25   4.3
26   4.1
27   4.1
28   4.0
29   3.8
30   3.8
31   3.7
32   3.5
33   3.5
34   3.3
35   3.3
36   3.3
37   3.1
38   3.1
39   3.0
40   3.0
41   3.0
42   2.8
43   2.8
44   2.8
45   2.8
46   2.6
47   2.3
48   2.3
49   2.1
50   2.0
51   1.9
52   1.8
53   1.8
54   1.8
55   1.8
56   1.8
57   1.8
58   1.8
59   1.8
60   1.8
61   1.8
62   1.6
63   1.6
64   1.5
65   1.5
66   1.5
67   1.4
68   1.4
69   1.4
70   1.3
71   1.3
72   1.2
73   1.2
74   1.2
75   1.2
76   1.1
77   1.1
78   1.1
79   1.1
80   1.1
81   1.1
82   1.1
83   1.0
84   1.0
85   1.0
86   1.0
87   0.9
88   0.9
89   0.9
90   0.9
91   0.9
92   0.9
93   0.9
94   0.9
95   0.9
96   0.9
97   0.9
98   0.9
99   0.9
100   0.9
101   0.9
102   0.9
103   0.9
104   0.9
105   0.9
106   0.9
107   0.9
108   0.9
109   0.9
110   0.9
111   0.9
112   0.9
113   0.9
114   0.9
115   0.9
116   0.9
117   0.9
118   0.9
119   0.9
120   0.9
121   0.9
122   0.9
123   0.9
124   0.9
125   0.9
   
Right Wing   
1   7.0
2   6.5
3   6.3
4   5.6
5   5.3
6   5.3
7   5.3
8   5.2
9   5.1
10   5.0
11   5.0
12   4.9
13   4.6
14   4.5
15   4.4
16   4.3
17   4.3
18   4.3
19   4.2
20   4.0
21   4.0
22   3.8
23   3.7
24   3.6
25   3.6
26   3.5
27   3.5
28   3.4
29   3.2
30   3.1
31   3.0
32   3.0
33   3.0
34   3.0
35   3.0
36   3.0
37   2.8
38   2.8
39   2.7
40   2.7
41   2.6
42   2.6
43   2.5
44   2.4
45   2.4
46   2.1
47   2.0
48   2.0
49   2.0
50   1.9
51   1.8
52   1.8
53   1.8
54   1.7
55   1.6
56   1.6
57   1.6
58   1.5
59   1.5
60   1.5
61   1.4
62   1.4
63   1.4
64   1.3
65   1.3
66   1.3
67   1.3
68   1.3
69   1.3
70   1.3
71   1.3
72   1.2
73   1.2
74   1.1
75   1.1
76   1.1
77   1.1
78   1.1
79   1.1
80   1.1
81   1.0
82   1.0
83   1.0
84   1.0
85   1.0
86   1.0
87   1.0
88   1.0
89   0.9
90   0.9
91   0.9
92   0.9
93   0.9
94   0.9
95   0.9
96   0.9
97   0.9
98   0.9
99   0.9
100   0.9
101   0.9
102   0.9
103   0.9
104   0.9
105   0.9
106   0.9
107   0.9
108   0.9
109   0.9
110   0.9
111   0.9
112   0.9
113   0.9
114   0.9
115   0.9
116   0.9
117   0.9
118   0.9
119   0.9
120   0.9
121   0.9
122   0.9
123   0.9
124   0.9
125   0.9
126   0.9
127   0.9
128   0.9
129   0.9
130   0.9
131   0.9
132   0.9
   
Defense   
1   5.2
2   5.0
3   4.7
4   4.6
5   4.6
6   4.4
7   4.4
8   4.3
9   4.3
10   4.3
11   4.2
12   4.0
13   3.8
14   3.8
15   3.8
16   3.7
17   3.7
18   3.6
19   3.6
20   3.6
21   3.6
22   3.5
23   3.5
24   3.4
25   3.3
26   3.2
27   3.1
28   3.0
29   3.0
30   3.0
31   3.0
32   3.0
33   3.0
34   3.0
35   3.0
36   3.0
37   2.9
38   2.8
39   2.8
40   2.8
41   2.7
42   2.7
43   2.7
44   2.7
45   2.6
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47   2.6
48   2.6
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50   2.6
51   2.6
52   2.6
53   2.6
54   2.6
55   2.6
56   2.6
57   2.6
58   2.6
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60   2.5
61   2.5
62   2.5
63   2.5
64   2.5
65   2.4
66   2.4
67   2.4
68   2.4
69   2.3
70   2.3
71   2.3
72   2.3
73   2.3
74   2.3
75   2.3
76   2.3
77   2.3
78   2.2
79   2.2
80   2.2
81   2.2
82   2.2
83   2.2
84   2.2
85   2.2
86   2.1
87   2.1
88   2.1
89   2.1
90   2.1
91   2.1
92   2.1
93   2.1
94   2.0
95   2.0
96   2.0
97   2.0
98   2.0
99   2.0
100   2.0
101   1.9
102   1.9
103   1.9
104   1.9
105   1.8
106   1.8
107   1.8
108   1.8
109   1.8
110   1.7
111   1.7
112   1.7
113   1.7
114   1.7
115   1.7
116   1.5
117   1.5
118   1.5
119   1.5
120   1.5
121   1.5
122   1.4
123   1.4
124   1.3
125   1.3
126   1.3
127   1.3
128   1.3
129   1.3
130   1.3
131   1.3
132   1.3
133   1.2
134   1.2
135   1.2
136   1.2
137   1.2
138   1.2
139   1.2
140   1.2
141   1.2
142   1.2
143   1.1
144   1.1
145   1.1
146   1.1
147   1.1
148   1.1
149   1.0
150   1.0
151   1.0
152   1.0
153   1.0
154   1.0
155   1.0
156   1.0
157   1.0
158   1.0
159   1.0
160   1.0
161   1.0
162   1.0
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2   6.9
3   6.5
4   6.3
5   6.3
6   6.0
7   5.8
8   5.7
9   5.3
10   5.0
11   5.0
12   5.0
13   4.5
14   4.5
15   4.5
16   4.0
17   3.9
18   3.8
19   3.8
20   3.8
21   3.6
22   3.5
23   3.5
24   3.2
25   2.9
26   2.8
27   2.8
28   2.7
29   2.5
30   2.3
31   2.0
32   2.0
33   1.9
34   1.8
35   1.8
36   1.8
37   1.8
38   1.8
39   1.8
40   1.8
41   1.6
42   1.5
43   1.5
44   1.5
45   1.5
46   1.4
47   1.3
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52   1.3
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54   1.3
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56   1.2
57   1.2
58   1.2
59   1.0
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61   1.0
62   1.0
63   1.0
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Re: Need Opinions - Rules of a potential new league
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2013, 04:12:39 PM »
One other important note.  The plan would be that I commission this league but not own a team.  So instead of having trade committees etc.  I would be making all approvals/vetos for a more streamlined process.  Since I wouldnt have a team it would be as unbiased as possible with only the health of the league in mind. 

Given that I would get no enjoyment out of it.  The league members would need to pay the Fantrax fees. paypal or something. 
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Re: Need Opinions - Rules of a potential new league
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2013, 06:12:57 PM »
So that would be a new league or changes to this one? I like Franchise and I like the team I've been able to rebuild. Starting over wouldn't interest me. As for a new league I would have to think more about it.
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Re: Need Opinions - Rules of a potential new league
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2013, 09:35:06 PM »
i am just brain storming , but not for this league unless you guys wanted to start a do over.  Right now, i am taking what I have felt are the best aspects from the several leagues and combining and modifying them.  My goal is to try and create a rule set that allows GM's as many strategies as possible towards an end goal of winning whether that be through good drafting and MILR or through creative signings , trades, etc.  but with still being a deep and advanced league. 

Was hoping people experienced in leagues would help pick the rules apart looking for possible loopholes, flaws. 
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Re: Need Opinions - Rules of a potential new league
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2013, 12:19:55 AM »
I love the thought that's gone into this. Good work snug!  :iatp:  Two things I'd be concerned about are how complexity will fry the brains of new guys joining the league then they bail and there's no way in hell you're going to stick around if you don't own a team. What's the fun in that? 

The extension values look good but as long as everyone uses the same values it really doesn't matter what they are and becomes a matter of opinion like how some guys are ass men, others breast men but in the end you just want to take the girl home and show her your luge technique between the sheets. Am I right bro!?!?  :koolaid:

Is this a money league with prize pool or a free league? Thing with free leagues is  there's always a bunch of no shows or clowns to weed out before things get going. I'd do it if there were enough diehard types and I'm not talking the fluffballs that think they know everything then crap all over their team and leave. Also I like serious money leagues where guys have to cough up say 50 bones. Otherwise fluffballs rule and mouth off none stop.  :soapbox:

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Re: Need Opinions - Rules of a potential new league
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2013, 09:25:06 AM »
Thanks, PPG

In some ways it is more complicated than the standard league setup here (especially the FA bidding formula,  its actually quite easy once you use it a couple times but first time in I am sure it could be confusing) But my target market is not the once a week logons I am targeting guys like yourself that basically live on here and can do the basic math :P

As for me not owning a team, I will get it launched and then worry about it.  If you cant tell I enjoy the commissioning part from the creative side of it and I like efficiently run leagues where transactions/trades etc are processed the day they complete.  Maybe I will look into your idea of charging a $20 entry fee and do a cash prize and take a $40  a year salary or something.  ha ha.   either way something would need to be charged to get a premium league on Fantrax (30 team, and using their cap /salary management.)

I agree that eventually the market values take over regarding the extensions and FA however I am looking for a good balance between FA and extension.  If you shoot too high on extension costs , everyone ends up in FA.  if you shoot too low , everyone gets extended and you have weak FA periods. 

What I might do in the next few weeks is setup a trial league on Fantrax and a page here on Prosfl ,  set it up and start running a mock for the next month to see how the scoring etc will work out.  I haven't ran a league here on Prosfl to see what the league management tools look like. 
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Re: Need Opinions - Rules of a potential new league
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2013, 10:53:48 AM »
My other option was limiting to 1, 3 or 5 yr contracts only.

So your 1 year is counted at face vaule,
(1yr @ 3m = 3 CV)

3 yrs,  you just multiply your 1st year by 2
(ex. 3yrs @ 3 million,   3 x2 = 6 CV)

5 yrs you multiply your 1st year by 2.5. 
(5yrs @ 3 million ,  3 x 2.5 = 7.5 CV)
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Re: Need Opinions - Rules of a potential new league
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2013, 03:29:22 PM »
im fine with you proposing this league concept, snugerud!
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my POV: as long as the set up doesnt involve too much processing + rules r stable in-season then just about any setup is fine. after that it depends on the competition from ppl.

i jnow if a league gets too complex it bottlenecks the administration n makes it difficult to hand off to support admins or fuure commish.

playing for $$ would be a nice bonus!

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Re: Need Opinions - Rules of a potential new league
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2013, 09:19:23 AM »
I have this same discussion going in another league and one of the guys came up with this formula which admittedly is far more simplistic than what I came up with and just as effective.  You can see the comparison in how the bidding or next highest bidding would work.  Basically he is taking what ever your yearly contract offer is and multiplying by a fixed number for each additional year ( in .25 increments).  I would say is arguably even more simple than the current system used in most leagues.  I dont know how many times I have to go flipping back and forth between the rules page to see when my bid hits the next tier.

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1 yr 8      x 1        =  8              1 yr at 8 x 1         =  8                1 yr at 8    =    8
2 yr 6.5   x 1.25   = 8.25          3 yr at 4 x 2         =  8                2 yr at 4    =    8
3 yr 5.5   x 1.5     = 8.25          5 yr at 3.25 x 2.5 = 8.25            3 yr at 2.7 =    8.1
4 yr 4.75 x 1.75   = 8.5                                                              4 yr at 3.5   =   14
5 yr 4      x   2      = 8                                                                 5 yr at 5      =  20


I would adjust back to a 100k increments since I only used 250k to make the %'s work easier. 

The real beauty of it, is the lower number contracts tend to favor shorter term contracts, then the higher you go the more and more the longer term tends to outweigh a short term contract.

200k per year
Ex. here you are only saving 200k to bid 5 yrs as opposed to a 1 yr.
1 yr - 400k x 1 = 400                 1 yr 8      x 1        =  8   
2yr - 400k x 1.25 = 500             2 yr 6.5   x 1.25   = 8.25
3yr - 300k x 1.5 = 450               3 yr 5.5   x 1.5     = 8.25
4 yr - 300k x 1.75 = 525            4 yr 4.75 x 1.75   = 8.5
5 yr - 200k x 2 = 400                 5 yr 4      x   2      = 8
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Re: Need Opinions - Rules of a potential new league
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2013, 11:02:27 PM »
Snug, as long as you have the right group in a league I think any setup works.

I like when guys play hard, trade and chat things up. I've been in leagues with weird settings but a great group of 16 just trying to beat the crap out of each other week after week.

Personally I don't like waivers in fantasy. That's one of those real world things that doesn't make sense in fantasy.

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