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Fantasy Leagues => Armchair Fantasy Baseball: Transactions => Armchair Fantasy Baseball => MLB Leagues => Armchair Fantasy Baseball: Invalid Transactions => Topic started by: Fitzy1962 on October 06, 2013, 11:33:37 PM
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Red Sox trade:
SP Jose Fernandez - '14 Sal / 1 yr Serv Time @ $440k I believe.
SP Felix Doubront - '14 Sal / $518.5k, '15 - '16 ARB, '17 FA
SS Andrelton Simmons - '14 Sal / $480k? '15 - '17 ARB, '18 FA
RP Brian Duensing - '14 Sal / $1.3m, '15 ARB, '16 FA
Reds trade:
RP Aroldis Chapman - '14 Sal / $3m, '15 - '16 ARB, '17 FA
1B Yonder Alonso - '14 Sal / $1.12m, '15 - '16 ARB, '17 FA
OF Quintin Berry - '14 Sal / $440k, ARB 15 - '17, '18 FA
2B Rickie Weeks - '14 Sal / $11m, '15 FA
OF Ryan LaMarre - (Reds #9 Spec)
1B Neftali Soto - (Reds #13 Spec)
The Reds agree to this trade to upgrade my starting pitching and give me some much needed depth. I also gain salary cap relief from Rickie Weeks. I've got a lot of open spots in my bullpen and can now concentrate on filling them with my rotation all set.
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Please post contracts.....thanks
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I may have to veto just to save Boston from himself.
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Red Sox approve this trade, Chapman and Alonso fill my two most barren positions for the next two years, and Weeks, despite his contract, is a potential asset in the middle infield. I was more than happy to accept the 3 specs as compensation for taking on Weeks. Losing Fernandez and Doubront certainly hurts my rotation, but I can fill out my rotation easier on the FA market then I can fill out my 1B/CL with a minuscule FA market at those positions. I would also ask the Pirates how they plan to "save me from myself."
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I'm at 50.1% approval. Not sure why anyone would trade an elite starter with 5 years of team control for a reliever and role players. Borderline approval.
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Yeah I have to chime in just to save Bazinga from himself.
Jose Fernandez, 566 points, 9th rated starting pitcher in our league. 21 years old. Has six years of control left since he's in your minor league system. Truly the best young pitcher in all of baseball right now.
Andrelton Simmons, 562.8 points, 3rd rated shortstop in our league. Scored more points than Troy Tulowitzki in our league. 24 years old with 4 years of control left.
What you're getting in return.
Aroldis Chapman, 9th rated closer, 437 points. $3 million contract, 25 years old
Yonder Alonso, 38th rated 1st baseman, 405 points, team control, 26 years old
Rickie Weeks, 44th rated 2nd baseman injured this year 221.4 points, 15th rated last year, $11 million contract, 30 years old
And these guys, they're not prospects. They're minor leaguers, there's a difference.
Quintin Berry - 28 years old, had 8 MLB at bats this year.
Ryan LaMarre - 24 year old, .699 OPS in AA this year, .539 OPS in AAA this year
Neftali Soto - 24 year old, .727 OPS in AAA this year
Like I said, I don't like to veto because I think if you can rape another team then more credit to you but this is the second really questionable trade you've made in the span of like a week and I don't think that's good for the league. I don't think you did your homework in evaluating this trade and I think, for whatever reason, based on our conversations exploring trade possibilities that you have highly overvalued minor league players over established major leaguers. Fernandez and Simmons are as elite as they get at their positions, they're also both incredibly young, and incredibly cheap. You're trading them for 50 cents on the dollar.
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Well, anyone who hasn't played in an MLB game is most definitely a prospect. That's what the minor leagues are. Alonso only played just over 100 games and if you project him for a full-season his production is just over 600 pts. Which would place him near the top (outside of Chris Davis who's on a level by himself this past year).
Chapman is one of the few elite closers in baseball and position scarcity should be considered with closers. There aren't very many of them with a definite hold on their job and he is one of them.
Both of these guys are in their prime right now. In light of the 5 team monster trade which no one seems to have a problem with, this trade should pass easily.
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Well, anyone who hasn't played in an MLB game is most definitely a prospect. That's what the minor leagues are.
:o
If you think that's true then we should do some trading.
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Simmons is a a elite as it gets? With a .248 average/ .292 OBP? I don't know exactly how the point system works in this league, but it seems to me like he's be about average at his position, even with his fluke HRs. And where else are you going to find a cheap, cost-effective 1B like Alonso controlled for as long as he is with his production? Weeks is a solid candidate for a bounce back, and as I've said, I'm comfortable in taking on huge contracts that don't extend more than two years.
Fernandez plays for the Marlins, so he can't really rack up the fantasy points like Chapman can on a contender.
If you think this is a bad deal, the Reds offered me Alonso for Fernandez straight up last week. That's a bad deal.
If y'all want to veto this trade, go ahead, I wouldn't resent that because dealing those 3 is very risky and I wouldn't mind having them back. However, I do feel like I know what I'm doing.
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I don't know exactly how the point system works in this league
You should probably go read it because it's pretty important to how players are valued.
If you understood the scoring better you would understand why your reasoning is poor. I'm not going to veto because I can't wait to make trades just like this with someone but you should take the time to reconsider this thoughtfully. I'm honestly trying to help but that's your deal so I'll stay out of it from this point.
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I appreciate the concern, Pittsburgh, so thank you, and I'll gage the reaction of the league over the next few days to see if it's as bad as some seem to think. Yahoolando- would I be allowed to cancel a pending transaction?
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I appreciate the concern, Pittsburgh, so thank you, and I'll gage the reaction of the league over the next few days to see if it's as bad as some seem to think. Yahoolando- would I be allowed to cancel a pending transaction?
You can't cancel the trade once posted.
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Jeez, I hope "Pittsburgh" is going to be so critical when we all start discussing the 5 team mega-trade that no one understands?
With that thing hanging in the balance, I would think you'd be quite a bit less critical of a trade like this.
I think this trade is very even. There's risk on both sides.
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Jeez, I hope "Pittsburgh" is going to be so critical when we all start discussing the 5 team mega-trade that no one understands?
With that thing hanging in the balance, I would think you'd be quite a bit less critical of a trade like this.
I think this trade is very even. There's risk on both sides.
Your inability to understand a complex trade doesn't really speak to its equity. I have integrity and I'm not going to be threatened into not giving an honest opinion. I won't veto your trade and already said as much.
If you think this trade is even though then you and I should trade some. I have 20 prospects to trade for Rio Ruiz right now. PM me.
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I didn't say I couldn't understand it, I just don't want to bother to take the time unless it's going to be upheld as even being legal, let alone fair.
I'm not trying to threaten anyone into doing anything, just stating the obvious that if you are going to be so critical of other's deals don't be surprised if it comes back at you.
That's human nature. I'm not trying to be argumentative, just stating the obvious.
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Not of the opinion this is the fairest trade, definitely a clear winner. That being said, I understand why the trade is justifiable, so :iatp: Although, I would caution Bazinga to look at the point system before any more trades.
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:veto:
Really bad deal for Boston.
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I have to :veto: this trade as well. I went back and forth on it but Simmons and Fernandez are top 10 at their positions and under team control for a while.
Especially considering :BOS: just got Myers they would have Simmons and Fernandez as well to build around.
Great pry from Boston for Cincy but those young players aren't enough value in my mind for the rebuilding team in Boston.
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I approve this trade because both teams have justified their think on why they are making their teams better.
Also, you shouldn't veto because you don't like the deal or that you're 'saving someone from themselves'. Who knows what's going to happen. Simmons can go back to the minors after a sophomore slump and Jose can get TJ surgery and get lost on the doldrums of MLB. Vetoing is for collusion.
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I approve this trade because both teams have justified their think on why they are making their teams better.
Also, you shouldn't veto because you don't like the deal or that you're 'saving someone from themselves'. Who knows what's going to happen. Simmons can go back to the minors after a sophomore slump and Jose can get TJ surgery and get lost on the doldrums of MLB. Vetoing is for collusion.
I agree whole-heartedly. And thank you.
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Vetoing is for collusion.
Along with unbalanced deals.
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I veto
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Along with unbalanced deals.
Who are we to guess what a 'balanced deal' is? Imagine if you're the guy who took over a Pipeline team and had Josh Hamilton (a highly polarizing player) on your team. You don't like him and want to trade him for anything. So you strike up a deal with the Daniel Nava owner. We all get to veto it because Josh Hamilton is a top40 preseason player based on the ESPNYahooCBS garbage rankings?
Meanwhile, the trade is vetoed and Daniel Nava puts up 2700pts while Hamilton barely break 1600...
You people would have vetoed the Cowboy's Herschel Walker trade for the Vikings because he was a big name. All the Cowboys got out of it was a couple journeymen and some guy named Emmitt Smith? Nope, that's an unbalanced deal!
Let managers manage their own teams as long as they have a justification for why it makes their team better.
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Haseloff- I really do appreciate the concern, but after reviewing the scoring system in this league, even I recognize this to be an unbalanced deal. I'll see about reworking the terms, but it's safe to say this deal is dead for now. Appreciate the concern though.
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This deal needs a little re-work. Look forward to seeing the new one!
No hard feelings.