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Fantasy Leagues => Franchise NHL: Transactions => Franchise NHL => NHL Leagues => Franchise NHL: Completed Transactions => Topic started by: Tubbs on September 13, 2013, 04:15:12 PM
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Rangers send Marian Hossa, $5.3m (2017-2018)
Red Wings send
Bobby Butler, $0.2m (2013-2014)
Erik Gustafsson, $0.2m (2013-2014)
Rangers need to do this to clear some cap and I need D.
sep17-13: added "Trade" icon.
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Rangers send Marian Hossa, $5.3m (2017-2018)
Red Wings send
Bobby Butler, $0.2m (2013-2014)
Erik Gustafsson, $0.2m (2013-2014)
Rangers need to do this to clear some cap and I need D.
My Hawk made a trade where we added a pretty banged up 4.5m Malone for a grinder in Fraser 0.2m but this is how do we say premature since :NYR: can make lots of moves to shed cap.
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Like extend Hayes, Goc, Dowell, Shaw to cheaper deals.
Save your :NYR: like 4m probably.
and Elliott too once season kicks off and he's in the AHL after 15 games. :thumbsup:
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The Wings confirm this deal. I think Gustafsson is a great young D-man who still has a ton of upside, but NY approached us with this deal, and though Hossa is getting older and has a injury history, he is still a good player on a great Chicago team.
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The Wings confirm this deal. I think Gustafsson is a great young D-man who still has a ton of upside, but NY approached us with this deal, and though Hossa is getting older and has a injury history, he is still a good player on a great Chicago team.
Thanks Wings. I'd do this deal even without consideration of cap issues.
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I'll have to consider this after I see :NYR: make other cap clearing moves. Tubbs, see what you can clear with a extensions before dealing Hossa. As it stands, the team doesn't appear to have many assets.
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I'll have to consider this after I see :NYR: make other cap clearing moves. Tubbs, see what you can clear with a extensions before dealing Hossa. As it stands, the team doesn't appear to have many assets.
Like I said below. I do this move notwithstanding cap issues. I don't like Hossa. I think he is old and injury prone. I need to rebuild and getting rid of his contract is a first step in doing that.
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Like I said below. I do this move notwithstanding cap issues. I don't like Hossa. I think he is old and injury prone. I need to rebuild and getting rid of his contract is a first step in doing that.
I think your 3rd best player is worth a lot more than "depth" guys. This trade makes your team significantly worse. :o
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:veto:
My reason for voting No is simple. This in no way helps improve the NY Rangers and in fact hurts them.
I think if the Rangers wanted a cheap defenseman they could've landed Marek Zidlicky during FA for a king's ransom of $0.4 Million (someone correct me if I'm wrong on the cap hit).
Hossa is a top talent regardless of age or team alliances and he's been fine especially while parading with the Cup the real Blackhawks won thanks to his contributions.
Either rework the trade or kill it.
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I am not on the trade committee and I hate seeing detroit get any stronger of a team but in Tubbs defense,,,, There have been similar calibre players being dropped/bought out throughout free agency, Richards, Couture to name 2.
He managed to get a return on hossa, not sure how this deal is veto'd taking into account past transactions this season. Although I think his timing is poor and should have made this move before FA started.
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I am not on the trade committee and I hate seeing detroit get any stronger of a team but in Tubbs defense,,,, There have been similar calibre players being dropped/bought out throughout free agency, Richards, Couture to name 2.
He managed to get a return on hossa, not sure how this deal is veto'd taking into account past transactions this season. Although I think his timing is poor and should have made this move before FA started.
I hear ya Snug!
In Tubbs defense, yes any manager is entitled to rebuild anyway they see fit.
Of course, we've seen this strategy and approach by other teams in FNHL and given the lack of activity during ABO, prior to FA opening, throughout FA, I'm concerned about the direction and the sudden purge.
I also saw :TBL: purge Malone, your :NYI: purge an All-Star L1 trio and :DET-NHL: dump Couture but we've also all seen you guys actively rebuilding with some good consistency.
My issue is recruiting a new owner for a crippled franchise (that BTW doesn't own a starting goalie) down the line when the roster looks like [ fill in the blank ].
Finally, given there's a 10% overage during the off-season... not sure why the rebuilding hasn't already started ... and now we're at the end of FA and 1 week away from the Transaction Freeze period.
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valid points. Wasnt aware that tubbs was a new owner or how long he had been in ownership of the Rangers.
I have a feeling there is probably some side dealage on this one that Izaman and tubbs have made. Izaman will be over cap by several mill. I am assuming there maybe another trade to happen or he is hoping to make a very quick trade before that transaction freeze.
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I sense the reason its so quiet in this trade thread is the last time a deal got vetoed it caused drama ... fast fwd 6 mths and 3 of the 4 key people voting in that deal are no longer around.
Let's vote and move this along.
3 Yes or 3 Veto votes. Let's hear it.
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I hear ya Snug!
In Tubbs defense, yes any manager is entitled to rebuild anyway they see fit.
Of course, we've seen this strategy and approach by other teams in FNHL and given the lack of activity during ABO, prior to FA opening, throughout FA, I'm concerned about the direction and the sudden purge.
I also saw :TBL: purge Malone, your :NYI: purge an All-Star L1 trio and :DET-NHL: dump Couture but we've also all seen you guys actively rebuilding with some good consistency.
My issue is recruiting a new owner for a crippled franchise (that BTW doesn't own a starting goalie) down the line when the roster looks like [ fill in the blank ].
Finally, given there's a 10% overage during the off-season... not sure why the rebuilding hasn't already started ... and now we're at the end of FA and 1 week away from the Transaction Freeze period.
Thanks, I think. But Recall I inherited this Crap-arse team, including the goalies. I retained those players I thought would best help the team and did so leaving me just over the cap. So I had no room to move during FA. Now I am trying to sell an expensive old player. Sometimes you have to take a step back before you can go forward.
BTW, regarding the suggestion that Izaman and I are colluding ......yeah,we are banging and soon I will trade him Kane for Latendresse.
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Sorry I didnt mean to infer you were colluding. I was just thinking a 2 part deal.
Ie. After the trade, Izaman is going to have to get under cap so buyout a player that you can then bid on. etc. I dont see that as colluding. I see it as more working within the rules.
I had a deal like that worked out with Chicago. They bid on Brad Richards for me. Which would free up my cap to work with. As soon as they won the bid we were supposed to trade Richards for Seabrook and my 2nd round pick.
In return they would buyout Seabrook so that I could re-bid for him and hopefully win him back, saving me about 3-4 million but retain both players and out of the deal he was going to get 2nd rounder with at most losing 1.5 million in cap space.
Unfortunately , the deal feel through when someone came a knocking with a better deal for Richards....... Fail..
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I'm not on the TC but I have to say no one likes to see a team get weaker after a trade. Unfortunately one team comes away weaker if this deal gets passed.
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Snug, draft was moving to quickly and Sharks dangled Harts. Like I said to Jack about Johnny Boychuk and my girlfriend last night, drop'em! LOL
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Thought I voted but didn't so
:veto:
I like you guys but I :puke: on this deal. Doesn't cut it.
Hossa is always in the top 20 pts/game and top 30 RW kinda guy
Erik and Bobby can't even drop from the Hose's cup. I meant that Stanley Cup thing. LOL
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I'm not on the TC but I have to say no one likes to see a team get weaker after a trade. Unfortunately one team comes away weaker if this deal gets passed.
Of course teams can get weaker in trades. Happens in all sports all of the time. Get rid of older expensive assets to allow for new assets and rebuilding.
I should be able to GM my team which allows for future development. The team I have (and inherited) sucks. Hossa ain't gonna make it much better. I should have a right to move forward without him.
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I am not on trade committee. I believe the deal should stand as is. Once again its a deal to free up cap space. Just like the earlier ones. Just because the previous one sided deals were done during FA period they were accepted because it allowed teams to acquire players through FA. The deals from a true critique of players exchanged were all one sided. Moral of story is be consistent and base trades on merit only.
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FULL DISCLOSURE: The team that would be getting the better is in my division :DET-NHL: ... but it doesn't alter my opinion on this trade.
Here's an option... if :NYR: truly believes in their team and are committed to rebuilding, purchase the team for 20$.
Alternatively, purchase any other available team :VAN: :CLG: :MON-NHL: :COL-NHL: :CLS:
Consistency... sure it can be applied but as I mentioned and as other owners here know the other teams involved in skewed trades were consistently active or still own competitive teams after their trades. :NYR: are laying on the cellar floor and in desperate need of a rebuild.
Dealing away one of it's top 3 players (who's left after Hossa, the two Kanes Evander and Patrick... Backlund and Mitchell might be stars on someone's team but ) doesn't help.
Either way, discussion is open to all and healthy for the league.
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FULL DISCLOSURE: The team that would be getting the better is in my division :DET-NHL: ... but it doesn't alter my opinion on this trade.
Here's an option... if :NYR: truly believes in their team and are committed to rebuilding, purchase the team for 20$.
Alternatively, purchase any other available team :VAN: :CLG: :MON-NHL: :COL-NHL: :CLS:
Consistency... sure it can be applied but as I mentioned and as other owners here know the other teams involved in skewed trades were consistently active or still own competitive teams after their trades. :NYR: are laying on the cellar floor and in desperate need of a rebuild.
Dealing away one of it's top 3 players (who's left after Hossa, the two Kanes Evander and Patrick... Backlund and Mitchell might be stars on someone's team but ) doesn't help.
Either way, discussion is open to all and healthy for the league.
Take your time on this TC.
If you have aspirations of being a reputable $$ league things like this should be resolved quickly.
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wow, for an owner who's made a total for 5 posts in this league since joining in March... you sure aren't painting a great pic of yourself.
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wow, for an owner who's made a total for 5 posts in this league since joining in March... you sure aren't painting a great pic of yourself.
I am not trying to win popularity contest. Nor trying to be a douche.
I am wondering why there is nothing happening on this deal. How can I move forward when I am stuck for days waiting to see what happens? I joined this league cus it looks like a serious hockey league. And I think it's a great league and I don't mind taking a fledgling team and try to do something with it. Throw me a bone here.
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PM was sent to all TC members to look over this and other pending trades.
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After reading the points in the thread then my vote is to approve this trade. I don't think it's the smartest trade to make but I feel this trade is being made with good intentions. Hossa is worth more then the return but I don't think it will kill the franchise.
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not as bad as the :ANA: / :MIN-NHL: worst trade of all time deal, no.
good feedback, papps!
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not as bad as the :ANA: / :MIN-NHL: worst trade of all time deal, no.
good feedback, papps!
I agree Pigs! That Anaheim/Minn trade was horrible!!
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:veto:
:NYR: completed 2 basic player extensions and have zero cap issue... never really had a cap issue really.
So bottomline,
Hossa for 2 players that might not even make their NHL teams once camp wraps up (real Flyers have 8 decent D in camp, 9 if you count Samuel Morin who likely won't make it but could; real Panthers have Butler on a 2-way deal and is 4th on their depth chart + plenty of Professional TryOut Offer invites) would be bad for the league, not only this Rangers team.
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Will leave this trade thread open in case the remaining members want to post their opinion ... i'd like to read their thoughts given how this trade proposal has unfolded.
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Being that NY has quit the league now I would not approve this trade now. The new NY owner may not have the same rebuild philosophy.
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Rangers send Marian Hossa, $5.3m (2017-2018)
Red Wings send
Bobby Butler, $0.2m (2013-2014)
Erik Gustafsson, $0.2m (2013-2014)
Rangers need to do this to clear some cap and I need D.
This trade is now cancelled given:
1. the current state of the team with $3.0m in new found cap space (4.3m in cap cleared) to acquire needed Defensemen,
2. this owner's exit from FNHL which changes the direction of the :NYR: franchise,
3. 4 TC Veto votes
we will close this trade discussion and move the thread to invalid after a few days to allow all owners to review. :judge: