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Title: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: PigsRule on September 03, 2020, 08:59:56 PM
30 days for FNHL owners to have their say.

Does this make sense?
Will it help the league overall?
Does this hurt FNHL?
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: Rock On on September 03, 2020, 09:28:54 PM
I think it would actually be good for FNHL after the expansion draft to go with a cap decease. If it negatively impacts our league we can stop doing it the following year. Simple as that.
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: Wundermaan on September 04, 2020, 10:27:58 AM
My first vote. Being the owner of a couple of teams how does my vote count? Ex. 1 vote per team which equals 2 votes. or can I split my vote Yes for one and No for other? Or sometime more complicated like 1 owner vote for a pair of teams but reduce overall team count by 1 so ratios work? Just want to be sure. Thanks.
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: AntMan on September 04, 2020, 08:02:46 PM
Colorado is an easy NO but would revisit.

I need to see the impact of the forwards pay raise over the next two years. I think that move alone will correct the league.

Folks should recognize both the forward pay raise and this cap decrease would increase the value of draft picks. They should also realize the financial stress top teams have of losing a player w no return. We might see a Kadri or Wilson only worth a second round pick going forward. But then similar talent getting scooped from FA for 6m.

From mathematics perspective the two expansion franchises and yoy league cap increases have added a rough 400m in available funds in the last handful of years. The salary increase is more complex to navigate than this high level overview but the top 40 players in the league picked up about 5m per in pay raise so there goes half the gap. I suspect more than the remaining 200m is consumed by the other 250 forwards impacted with the pay raise.
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: 99WildThing on September 04, 2020, 10:29:01 PM
I think with static extension values for close to ten years, a small reset like a 5% decrease over the NHL cap ceiling value should help FNHL keep team finances in check league wide. I think this would reduce the gap between the top and bottom teams in FNHL. For me, I want to be part of a sustainable competitive league and this is a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: Rock On on September 05, 2020, 12:11:43 AM
I would like to see this rollback of 5% from the NHL's cap ceiling for 2021-22. It's a good suggestion to ensure some additional cap tension gets introduced because as we saw last off season, there were tons of teams with too much cap and not enough players entering Free Agency.
This was my comment from the discussion thread. I still believe there are many teams with close to the $10-12 million range in cap space heading into the new season which could be even higher if you factor in expiring contracts and buyouts coming off the books.
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: Godzilla on September 05, 2020, 06:00:02 PM
:MIN-NHL::TBL::LAK: will go with this change and ok with a 2021-22 implementation versus 2 years out. We will have 2020-21 to adjust to the extension increase for skaters. Should work out well for the league overall imo. I think the opposite would hurt the league (ie. giving teams too much cap to spend is like giving children too much rope to play with). If it really is a bad change, stop doing the 5% decrease in 2022-23. That's my take.
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: Godzilla on September 05, 2020, 06:01:11 PM
My first vote. Being the owner of a couple of teams how does my vote count? Ex. 1 vote per team which equals 2 votes. or can I split my vote Yes for one and No for other? Or sometime more complicated like 1 owner vote for a pair of teams but reduce overall team count by 1 so ratios work? Just want to be sure. Thanks.


Each of your teams gets one vote. You can choose to split your vote but you have to specify exactly how each team votes. Hope that helps.
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on September 05, 2020, 07:13:29 PM
My first vote. Being the owner of a couple of teams how does my vote count? Ex. 1 vote per team which equals 2 votes. or can I split my vote Yes for one and No for other? Or sometime more complicated like 1 owner vote for a pair of teams but reduce overall team count by 1 so ratios work? Just want to be sure. Thanks.

Godzilla is correct. That is how we add up votes in FNHL. Each team gets 1 vote. An owner with more than one team gets 1 vote per team they own and as Godzilla mentioned you can split the vote however you like.

For example, you own NYI and DET and you can have the Wings vote no and Isles vote yes etc.

Each of your teams gets one vote. You can choose to split your vote but you have to specify exactly how each team votes. Hope that helps.
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on September 05, 2020, 07:16:59 PM
Voting currently stands at: AFTER 48hrs
7 Yes - 3 No - 1 Either 

*though AntMan/ :COL-NHL: haven''t officially cast their vote
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on September 05, 2020, 07:19:14 PM
Voting currently stands at: AFTER 48hrs
7 Yes - 3 No - 1 Either 

*though AntMan/ :COL-NHL: haven''t officially cast their vote

33% of FNHL has voted.

Let's hear from the other outstanding FNHL owners!
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on September 05, 2020, 08:20:41 PM
Reminder, voting closes: October 03, 2020, 20:04:09 EST :judge:
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: PigsRule on September 05, 2020, 08:54:13 PM
33% of FNHL has voted.

Let's hear from the other outstanding FNHL owners!

Good to see teams jumping on to have their day.
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: Godzilla on September 05, 2020, 10:28:20 PM
And when do the commissioners vote HAHA
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: dickiedunn on September 06, 2020, 01:53:46 AM
As another owner mentioned, given this is to be implemented in 2021-22, we have this entire off-season plus the upcoming season to acclimatize to the new reality of the increase in skater extensions recently introduced. Chicago management is interested in testing out this small reduction in the cap ceiling and if needed, we would vote to reverse this change if we determine by the Spring of 2022 that it negatively impacts FNHL as a whole and the majority of franchises to be competitive.

- DD
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: jackdaniels on September 08, 2020, 12:57:13 PM
I'll give this a shot. Interested in seeing what happens when we do a small rollback. Honestly doubt much impact.
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: Mordecai on September 08, 2020, 01:58:57 PM
Great to see everyone's active on this vote. :iatp::toast: When the owners decide to better manage finances and give the cap a chance to actually manage how teams are run instead of throwing profit back into an excuse to raise the ceiling annually, it will create a better league and a more competitive one where every game is interesting right down to the last second of the final game of the regular season. :winner:
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: EndGame on September 08, 2020, 10:22:32 PM
I think going with a start date of 2021-22 to rollback gives owners a chance to make adjustments. The expansion draft next summer will also take some cap off the hands of teams and should balance things out IMO.
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: PigsRule on September 09, 2020, 01:44:25 AM
After 5days

YES - 12
NO - 5
EITHER/OR - 4

10 more teams are able to vote. They have until Oct 3, 2020.
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on September 09, 2020, 02:53:57 PM
Results after 6 days of voting by 24 teams:

YES - 14

NO - 6   :PHO: :TOR-NHL: :CLS: :COL-NHL: :DAL-NHL: :PIT-NHL:

EITHER/OR - 4   :EDM: :WAS-NHL3: :VAN: :BUF-NHL:


7 more teams are able to vote. :WIN: :OTT: :STL-NHL: :FLO: :NYR: :NAS: :NJD:
(They have until Oct 3, 2020.)
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: dickiedunn on September 09, 2020, 11:35:38 PM
Results after 6 days of voting by 24 teams:

YES - 14

NO - 6   :PHO: :TOR-NHL: :CLS: :COL-NHL: :DAL-NHL: :PIT-NHL:

EITHER/OR - 4   :EDM: :WAS-NHL3: :VAN: :BUF-NHL:


7 more teams are able to vote. :WIN: :OTT: :STL-NHL: :FLO: :NYR: :NAS: :NJD:
(They have until Oct 3, 2020.)
 

This is an impressive turnout for a vote in a short period of time. 66.7% respond in less than a week.
Seems like a clean bill of health for Franchise NHL and shows good activity by owners.
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: DToxFan on September 11, 2020, 12:01:04 PM
 

This is an impressive turnout for a vote in a short period of time. 66.7% respond in less than a week.
Seems like a clean bill of health for Franchise NHL and shows good activity by owners.
:iatp: Totally agree. Best league around in any sport without question.
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: Burkes Boys on September 11, 2020, 06:21:14 PM
Great to see everyone's active on this vote. :iatp::toast: When the owners decide to better manage finances and give the cap a chance to actually manage how teams are run instead of throwing profit back into an excuse to raise the ceiling annually, it will create a better league and a more competitive one where every game is interesting right down to the last second of the final game of the regular season. :winner:
:iatp: I'll buy into this idea of the greater good for the whole of FNHL. :thumbsup::thumbsup:
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: Burkes Boys on September 11, 2020, 06:33:46 PM
7 more teams are able to vote. :WIN: :OTT: :STL-NHL: :FLO: :NYR: :NAS: :NJD:
(They have until Oct 3, 2020.)

Only 4 teams outstanding :WIN: :OTT: :FLO: :NJD:
And one of them is Florida. Com'on PigsRule. HAHAHA
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: PigsRule on September 11, 2020, 06:41:40 PM
 

This is an impressive turnout for a vote in a short period of time. 66.7% respond in less than a week.
Seems like a clean bill of health for Franchise NHL and shows good activity by owners.
:iatp: great to see everyone’s active and engaged.
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: Jonathan on September 13, 2020, 12:55:33 AM
I'll give this a shot. Interested in seeing what happens when we do a small rollback. Honestly doubt much impact.

I don't think it should make a huge difference for 20-21, but if anyone is skating a thin line, it will impact that team. It seems like we've been going up 5m every yr for awhile, but I would of preferred a 0 increase over a decrease. I think the drastic skater extensions will play a bigger factor than a small dip in cap for 1 yr. You won't be able to keep all the players you draft, which is a big part of rebuilding a franchise for me. Maybe its just my style is to draft/develop vs. overspend in FA / a lot of trading. Its gonna be hard to overspend in FA with those skater extensions. 
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: Mordecai on September 16, 2020, 10:41:19 AM
Looks like this is a done deal for 21/22. Also agree this will not make or break anyone and it will be good to see if FNHL can fix what the pro league have broken for decades, salary structure and the concept of a team budget.
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on September 16, 2020, 11:47:10 AM
Only 4 teams outstanding :WIN: :OTT: :FLO: :NJD:
And one of them is Florida. Com'on PigsRule. HAHAHA

PR voted so we're only looking for 2 more owners to speak for 3 teams to punch their ballot. :OTT: :WIN: :NJD:

But regardless, it seems like a slam dunk in the face! 5% FNHL Cap Ceiling decrease expected for 2021-22 season.
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on September 17, 2020, 12:14:06 PM
GREAT vote turnout everyone!  :bacon: :bacon: :bacon:  :iatp: :iatp: :iatp: :winner: :winner: :winner:


Results after 14-days of voting by 27 teams:

YES - 16

NO - 6   :PHO: :TOR-NHL: :CLS: :COL-NHL: :DAL-NHL: :PIT-NHL:

EITHER/OR - 6   :EDM: :WAS-NHL3: :VAN: :BUF-NHL: :STL-NHL: :FLO:


3 more teams are able to vote for 100% turnout. :WIN: :OTT: :NJD:
(They have until Oct 3, 2020.)

Ultimately, given majority rule and with only 3 teams left to vote it's a Grand Slam for the "Yes" side and FNHL is set to decrease the cap by 5% in 2021-22. :judge:

GREAT vote turnout everyone!  :bacon: :bacon: :bacon:  :iatp: :iatp: :iatp: :winner: :winner: :winner:
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on September 17, 2020, 12:19:40 PM
FNHL Salary Cap page in Rules section updated. :judge:
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: DToxFan on September 19, 2020, 10:43:09 AM
:iatp:
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: King Boseman on September 19, 2020, 07:30:03 PM
For clarification, is there an equal 5% decrease to the salary cap floor limit as well?
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: PigsRule on September 20, 2020, 06:27:56 PM
For clarification, is there an equal 5% decrease to the salary cap floor limit as well?

5% decrease for Cap Ceiling only. Floor will mirror NHL. :judge:
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: EndGame on September 21, 2020, 09:47:18 AM
5% decrease for Cap Ceiling only. Floor will mirror NHL. :judge:
Good to know though not that it should make much of a difference. :toast:
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: Mordecai on September 21, 2020, 10:49:51 AM
5% decrease for Cap Ceiling only. Floor will mirror NHL. :judge:
:iatp: Smart move to manage spending league wide.
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: Godzilla on September 21, 2020, 07:59:13 PM
5% decrease for Cap Ceiling only. Floor will mirror NHL. :judge:
:iatp: Fine by us. :toast:
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: 99WildThing on September 25, 2020, 08:07:27 AM
I looked around the league and was surprised to see there could be at least one team with close to or over $40 Million in cap space and possibly 5 teams with close to $20 Million!

What surprises me is that the team with nearly $40M :COL-NHL: Avalanche have $9.2 Million freed up right now and $33.4 Million in buy out cap hits but if I read the rules properly, it is possible for all of the buy out cap to be erased if say the bought out player gets signed in Free Agency. Is that correct?
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: AntMan on September 25, 2020, 10:27:47 AM
I looked around the league and was surprised to see there could be at least one team with close to or over $40 Million in cap space and possibly 5 teams with close to $20 Million!

What surprises me is that the team with nearly $40M :COL-NHL: Avalanche have $9.2 Million freed up right now and $33.4 Million in buy out cap hits but if I read the rules properly, it is possible for all of the buy out cap to be erased if say the bought out player gets signed in Free Agency. Is that correct?

That guy sounds really smart... or more likely that’s what happens when you purge 45m in goalie contracts from prior seasons failed attempts at the impossible cup.

I do like watching and following smart owner moves like ones from Mordaguy, Jonathan, Burkie. You can observe a lot just by watching...
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on September 25, 2020, 12:19:05 PM
That guy sounds really smart... or more likely that’s what happens when you purge 45m in goalie contracts from prior seasons failed attempts at the impossible cup.

I do like watching and following smart owner moves like ones from Mordaguy, Jonathan, Burkie. You can observe a lot just by watching...
Throw yourself in there Antman. You're totally worth watching too. For some reason, that really sounds terrible. :rofl:
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: AntMan on September 25, 2020, 03:22:31 PM
Throw yourself in there Antman. You're totally worth watching too. For some reason, that really sounds terrible. :rofl:
:toth:

I should’ve definitely given you a shout out. PPG isn’t going to make a ton of moves but all of them are high impact and quality. Nobody knows the rules or their team needs better

Not many moves required for the FNHL Flyers; built to win!  :thumbsup:

Good luck this season in that buzz saw division...
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: jackdaniels on September 25, 2020, 09:49:41 PM
I looked around the league and was surprised to see there could be at least one team with close to or over $40 Million in cap space and possibly 5 teams with close to $20 Million!

What surprises me is that the team with nearly $40M :COL-NHL: Avalanche have $9.2 Million freed up right now and $33.4 Million in buy out cap hits but if I read the rules properly, it is possible for all of the buy out cap to be erased if say the bought out player gets signed in Free Agency. Is that correct?
:puke: WTffffffffff. Ave are the Tesla of FNHL. At least for this FA period.

Didn't even notice Antman was clearing that much cap for rollover. Time to keep an eye on the Colorado-ers!
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on October 07, 2020, 03:28:32 PM
GREAT vote turnout everyone!  :bacon: :bacon: :bacon:  :iatp: :iatp: :iatp: :winner: :winner: :winner:


Results after 14-days of voting by 27 teams:

YES - 16

NO - 6   :PHO: :TOR-NHL: :CLS: :COL-NHL: :DAL-NHL: :PIT-NHL:

EITHER/OR - 6   :EDM: :WAS-NHL3: :VAN: :BUF-NHL: :STL-NHL: :FLO:


3 more teams are able to vote for 100% turnout. :WIN: :OTT: :NJD:
(They have until Oct 3, 2020.)

Ultimately, given majority rule and with only 3 teams left to vote it's a Grand Slam for the "Yes" side and FNHL is set to decrease the cap by 5% in 2021-22. :judge:

GREAT vote turnout everyone!  :bacon: :bacon: :bacon:  :iatp: :iatp: :iatp: :winner: :winner: :winner:

The results above are final at closing of our vote Oct 3, 2020.
It was a landslide for the YES side who numbered nearly 3 times more votes than the NO's.

Ultimately, this should help FNHL level the playing field longterm.
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: Burkes Boys on October 09, 2020, 10:45:17 AM
The results above are final at closing of our vote Oct 3, 2020.
It was a landslide for the YES side who numbered nearly 3 times more votes than the NO's.

Ultimately, this should help FNHL level the playing field longterm.
Well just take a look at this year's FNHL FA crop! It's worse than last year so this is a great call by Mordecai to table this rollback recommendation. :thumbsup::thumbsup: Its going to be good for FNHL.

But I'm going to guess next yr's FA period in FNHL will look like this year's NHL free agency with plenty of big names hitting the market.
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: blkhwkfn on October 09, 2020, 09:21:34 PM
Well just take a look at this year's FNHL FA crop! It's worse than last year so this is a great call by Mordecai to table this rollback recommendation. :thumbsup::thumbsup: Its going to be good for FNHL.

But I'm going to guess next yr's FA period in FNHL will look like this year's NHL free agency with plenty of big names hitting the market.
Well to an extent, let’s not forget that the Seattle franchise I might purchase will be in play
Title: Re: FNHL VOTE: 2021-22 CAP 5% DECREASE?
Post by: AntMan on October 10, 2020, 05:56:06 PM
Well to an extent, let’s not forget that the Seattle franchise I might purchase will be in play

I’d vote for that if you sell off a franchise. It will need an experienced owner and one willing to leverage their expansion draft power for early deals.