2019 Rules Change Discussion

[Brent]

1. Is there a need for an Anti-Tanking rule?

2. I believe the minor league roster breakdown is out of date.  I don't see a breakdown of the 25 max at each level.  I guess maybe that rule just went away, but is still under the rules section.

I'll post more rules questions as I come across them.

[ldsjayhawk]

The 25 man at each level has been eliminated.  It is now just a straight 200 minor leaguers.

[rotodojo]

1. Is there a need for an Anti-Tanking rule?

I'll post more rules questions as I come across them.

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Rules: Tanking
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2016, 06:58:01 PM »
Tanking Rule
Beginning in the 2017 season, any team scoring...

Less than 2,000 points lose their 1st round pick for that season.
More than 2,000 but less than 3,000 points loses a 2nd round pick for that season.

Unowned teams will not be subject to this provision.

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Rules: Tanking
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2016, 06:58:01 PM »
Tanking Rule
Beginning in the 2017 season, any team scoring...

Less than 2,000 points lose their 1st round pick for that season.
More than 2,000 but less than 3,000 points loses a 2nd round pick for that season.

Unowned teams will not be subject to this provision.

I read the rule, I just don't see a need for it.  Teams have to suck for a while to get better.  Cubs, Astros, Indians, Braves, etc have all went that route in RL.  To do that in a league that is trying to mimic the MLB makes it that much harder for the teams trying to rebuild.  Looking at the shape of this league, it looks like that rule was put in place to benefit the good teams and allowed super teams to be built since teams in rebuid would get penalized for rebuilding. 

[rotodojo]

The current tanking rule may hinder teams because they are so bad they can't score enough to keep their draft picks. However, I would guess the rule was put in because it has been a hot topic in sports and has become a regular occuring problem. Tanking is what the Chicago Black Sox did and there should be a rule against that if a competition is wanted instead of an exhibition. A team may try to win early in the year against one team and then try and lose later in the year to another and that may effect the playoffs. Also, the Cleveland Indians tried to lose and then Willie Mays Hayes had a great year and they won anyway. I don't like the rule either though and I would suggest a losers bracket to prevent the practice with the winning team getting the first pick or require teams to make lineup changes on a weekly basis and make a genuine effort to win judged with the Commissioner's discretion. There is probably only one super team. The New York Mets. Just kidding. It's the Astros. They went undefeated and stockpiled about five times as many picks as they would have in the early rounds if the trading of draft picks weren't allowed. The new teams are having a fire sale and the better teams have the talent to trade and continue to build upon their success with future draft picks thus creating a larger gap amongst the competition. If anyone questions or argues with me I will trade my future draft picks and cheap talent to the top teams for late first round picks and then change my team name to the Tanks. I recently released "El Tanque" Yasmany Tomas if anyone is interested and I have Tanaka. Tank you very much.

P.S. If any of you go against me then you are competing with me and therefore not trying to lose.

[indiansnation]

The current tanking rule may hinder teams because they are so bad they can't score enough to keep their draft picks. However, I would guess the rule was put in because it has been a hot topic in sports and has become a regular occuring problem. Tanking is what the Chicago Black Sox did and there should be a rule against that if a competition is wanted instead of an exhibition. A team may try to win early in the year against one team and then try and lose later in the year to another and that may effect the playoffs. Also, the Cleveland Indians tried to lose and then Willie Mays Hayes had a great year and they won anyway. I don't like the rule either though and I would suggest a losers bracket to prevent the practice with the winning team getting the first pick or require teams to make lineup changes on a weekly basis and make a genuine effort to win judged with the Commissioner's discretion. There is probably only one super team. The New York Mets. Just kidding. It's the Astros. They went undefeated and stockpiled about five times as many picks as they would have in the early rounds if the trading of draft picks weren't allowed. The new teams are having a fire sale and the better teams have the talent to trade and continue to build upon their success with future draft picks thus creating a larger gap amongst the competition. If anyone questions or argues with me I will trade my future draft picks and cheap talent to the top teams for late first round picks and then change my team name to the Tanks. I recently released "El Tanque" Yasmany Tomas if anyone is interested and I have Tanaka. Tank you very much.

P.S. If any of you go against me then you are competing with me and therefore not trying to lose.

I agree with Roto. On this. I think we should put this rule on backburner for right know. There is some gms that our going to have enough a tough time building their roster up . yes my team is young and I do have some wholes in it and I will fill them wholes with fa but my minors for example I have 46 position players in minors out of those guys. Only half of them our even in majors or even playing baseball. That being said their will be some teams if anything like my reds will want to build up their minors so they can compete down the road.  Some of these teams our in rough shape by keeping this rule I feel gms will be harmed by this. We can always monitor teams to make sure they are not tanking.
Most owners will build there build there team up thru draft within 2 to 3 yrs after that then maybe then we should be a concern but right know I think we hold of on this rule until we truly need to use it.

[indiansnation]

The next topic is do we want a TC in the league or our we up to just using regular voting where every team has a say?
2) I think we should not go with a rules commente. I think its best for the league if we have everybody's opinion on what we do. Not every one will agree with making this league better. I just wanted to throw this out on here to see everyones feedback

[ldsjayhawk]

I agree with Roto. On this. I think we should put this rule on backburner for right know. There is some gms that our going to have enough a tough time building their roster up . yes my team is young and I do have some wholes in it and I will fill them wholes with fa but my minors for example I have 46 position players in minors out of those guys. Only half of them our even in majors or even playing baseball. That being said their will be some teams if anything like my reds will want to build up their minors so they can compete down the road.  Some of these teams our in rough shape by keeping this rule I feel gms will be harmed by this. We can always monitor teams to make sure they are not tanking.
Most owners will build there build there team up thru draft within 2 to 3 yrs after that then maybe then we should be a concern but right know I think we hold of on this rule until we truly need to use it.

This rule is completely ineffective anyway.  Even the worst team had almost 10000 points.  We definitely need a tanking rule.  It hurts the league when you have teams that are built completely of minor leaguers.   With 200 spots in the minors, I don't think anyone needs to worry about not being able to build their team. 

Yes, I believe this league needs a trade committee.

[Maydab23]

This rule is completely ineffective anyway.  Even the worst team had almost 10000 points.  We definitely need a tanking rule.  It hurts the league when you have teams that are built completely of minor leaguers.   With 200 spots in the minors, I don't think anyone needs to worry about not being able to build their team. 

Yes, I believe this league needs a trade committee.

To give people some background on the tanking rule

I was co-commish at the time and helped shape that tanking rule. The reason behind it was that a couple teams were intentionally leaving major leaguers in minors and fielding mostly empty teams and not coming close to winning a single game all season.

The bar to avoid the forfeiture of draft picks was intentionally set very low. The idea is to not stop teams from “tanking” like the Cubs and Astros did in real life (they still fielded teams albeit bad ones). It’s to prevent teams from fielding 3 players on an entire roster and intentionally going winless all season (which is def not what the Cubs and Astros did as they didn’t intentionally play with fewer players and go 0-162)

A bad, rebuilding team will have some non points accruing roster spots, that’s expected. But there’s no reason they can’t at least call up a couple of their minor leaguers who are accruing points in real life bigs and sign a couple of FAs to at least not completely count as an automatic win for whichever teams they play against.

Just like this league shouldn’t have undefeated dominate teams like the Astros, we should also avoid the opposite extreme if able.

IMO

[rotodojo]

Sounds like you want to start a new league!

At this point, we basically are.  Lol!

A couple of points of minutia that I would like to address in rules changes. 

• Tie the minimum salary in Armchair to the minimum salary in MLB
• Change the official contract information from Cot's to Sportrac - it is easier to find information and provides more information.
• Change that a minor league player under 23 cannot be offered a major league contract to a minor league player with no MLB service time or no MLB games can be offered a major league contract

Also, could someone help me remember why we went to VC contracts with an increase to 500k for major league players on minor league contracts?