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Title: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on October 30, 2020, 12:25:06 PM
Conditions for Expansion & Operation:

(A) FRANCHISE BEGINS PLAY 2021-22,

(B) FRANCHISE OPERATIONAL AS OF 2020-21,

(C) CANNOT SIGN FREE AGENTS during the 2020-21 season; can trade for MiLR players and draft picks (Entry or Supplemental) anytime before expansion draft.

(D) EXPANSION DRAFT RULES:
1. Expansion draft will take place after FNHL Finals completed, prior to FNHL Supplemental Draft,
2. Expansion Draft to take place over 5-days May 19-23, 2021
3. Minimum: 10 forwards, 8 defencemen and 2 regular roster goaltenders (OR 1 regular roster plus 2 MiLR Goalies),
4. Total salaries of Expansion Draft players must be minimum of $38.7m (50% of 2020-21 FNHL Cap Ceiling of $81.5m + 10% off-season overage if needed),
5. Cannot Buyout Expansion Draft Players before April 15, 2022 TBD - but can trade them,
6. Any original Seattle Expansion Draft player can be designated a Franchise Player,
7. FNHL Vegas Golden Knights, FNHL Buffalo Sabres & FNHL Anaheim Ducks are exempt from expansion draft,
8. Maximum of 5 teams can be exempt as decided by Seattle over and above VGK, BUF & ANH,
9. A team can only lose maximum 1 player in the expansion draft,
10. Maximum 2 regular roster goalies can be drafted by Seattle OR 1 regular roster goalie plus 2 MiLR goalies,
11. Able to protect 7 Skaters and 1 Goalie OR 8 Skaters,
12. Must expose 1 Goalie from the regular roster or expose 3 in MiLR if there is no qualifying regular roster Goalie to be exposed,
13. Any team losing a Goalie in the expansion draft will be compensated (2 Supplemental Draft picks plus 1 additional 2021 Entry Draft pick at the end of Round 1 when losing a regular roster goalie or 1 Supplemental Draft pick at the end of Round 2 in 2021 when losing a MiLR Goalie)
14. Must expose 3 defencemen,
15. All Franchise Players (FP) must be protected (FP’s will be frozen until after Expansion Draft, cannot be changed during that early off-season period),
16. Maximum 4 Entry Level Contract (ELC) players can be protected,
17. Maximum 5 expiring contracts (ending in 2021 and no extension) can be drafted by Seattle,
18. Exempt: MiLR except where 1 goalie needs to be exposed,
19. Teams can trade expansion draft exemption rights with Seattle (beginning Oct 31, 2020).
20. Original Expansion Draft & Roster Players Link To-Be-Updated
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: EndGame on November 02, 2020, 02:15:58 PM
I think #7 is because BUF and ANH have been floundering for one too many seasons whereas VGK is too new to pick from as with the NHL's expansion rules for Seattle.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: AntMan on November 02, 2020, 03:46:11 PM
Some of these are new from the prior draft. Can we clarify the new items and discuss the merit of the addition?
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: PigsRule on November 03, 2020, 09:43:05 PM
Ask any question you have.

From our perspective (PPG and myself) we wanted to ensure Seattle had a decent roster post expansion draft. That meant new rules such as allowing for the drafting of players on expiring contracts (limited #) because of a team can’t afford to resign or isn’t interested in a pending FA, or wants to try to resign via FA cheaper, well Seattle should have a shot at that player.

Goalies, Seattle should have a decent selection without completely loading up 2 stud net minders. Of course, there’s also room for teams to negotiate with Seattle to stay away or negotiate with friendly teams to help protect assets.

Overall, we tried to allow Seattle a chance to create a competitive roster in year one.

Ultimately, Seattle can go the development route and deal assets for super prospects and handle being at the bottom of the standing s for 2-3 yrs before rising to the top.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: AntMan on November 03, 2020, 11:08:08 PM
Ask any question you have.

From our perspective (PPG and myself) we wanted to ensure Seattle had a decent roster post expansion draft. That meant new rules such as allowing for the drafting of players on expiring contracts (limited #) because of a team can’t afford to resign or isn’t interested in a pending FA, or wants to try to resign via FA cheaper, well Seattle should have a shot at that player.

Goalies, Seattle should have a decent selection without completely loading up 2 stud net minders. Of course, there’s also room for teams to negotiate with Seattle to stay away or negotiate with friendly teams to help protect assets.

Overall, we tried to allow Seattle a chance to create a competitive roster in year one.

Ultimately, Seattle can go the development route and deal assets for super prospects and handle being at the bottom of the standing s for 2-3 yrs before rising to the top.

16 puts a limit on ELC players or first contract players. I suspect teams with 5 Or more ELC are not a threat to the cup and we shouldn’t fracture their rebuilding. I think Seattle likes this rule but it robs the leagues parity progress and was not capped in the prior expansion. I would think the owners would want a vote to add this but a good parity topic like rollback of cap.

15 does the 20-21 regular season conclude and allow for tags to be removed before expansion takes place? Else two franchise tagged goalies could cause an issue since they cannot both be protected. If it’s open season to remove tags.. likely won’t need this rule.

14 I don’t remember but reasonable to assume all teams will meet this if nhl games count is not a factor.

13 hurts Seattle’s ability to negotiate a bigger deal. St. Louis or Colorado were not compensated in the prior expansion. I think this goes away but I’m open to compensation in arrears. Teams w two good goalies should be sweating and paying a luxury tax. The expansion draft provides the vehicle to tax.

18 is new; I don’t see it playing a role but maybe one team protects the Milr interests by adding a FA goalie to expose? Or games played matters?

Definitely good to have the rules list published. I like that you were proactive to possibly expanded rule set. 13 certainly caught me by surprise and I am interested in understanding the other rules for balance to league and draft value proposition.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: dickiedunn on November 04, 2020, 01:59:17 AM
My guess would be that "15. All Franchise Players (FP) must be protected (FP’s will be frozen until after Expansion Draft, cannot be changed during that early off-season period)," indicates as stated that if you have a Franchise Player, you can't remove the designation until after the expansion draft, which is similar to the NHL's rule about all NMC players being protected. That designation cannot be switched.

#13 is a pleasant and welcome surprise, compensation for teams that lose a goalie.

Given each team can only lose one player, there does not seem to be anything detrimental to any team.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: ALL4U2NV on November 04, 2020, 11:30:05 AM
Conditions for Expansion & Operation:

(A) FRANCHISE BEGINS PLAY 2021-22,

(B) FRANCHISE OPERATIONAL AS OF 2020-21,

(C) CANNOT SIGN FREE AGENTS during the 2020-21 season; can trade for MiLR players and draft picks (Entry or Supplemental) anytime before expansion draft.

(D) EXPANSION DRAFT RULES:
1. Expansion draft will take place after FNHL Finals completed, prior to FNHL Supplemental Draft,
2. Expansion Draft to take place over 5-days May 1-5, 2021 TBD
3. Minimum: 10 forwards, 8 defencemen and 2 regular roster goaltenders (OR 1 regular roster plus 2 MiLR Goalies),
4. Total salaries of Expansion Draft players must be minimum of $38.7m (50% of 2020-21 FNHL Cap Ceiling of $81.5m - MINUS 5% rollback),
5. Cannot Buyout Expansion Draft Players before April 15, 2022 TBD - but can trade them,
6. Any original Seattle Expansion Draft player can be designated a Franchise Player,
7. FNHL Vegas Golden Knights, FNHL Buffalo Sabres & FNHL Anaheim Ducks are exempt from expansion draft,
8. Maximum of 5 teams can be exempt as decided by Seattle over and above VGK, BUF & ANH,
9. A team can only lose maximum 1 player in the expansion draft,
10. Maximum 2 regular roster goalies can be drafted by Seattle OR 1 regular roster goalie plus 2 MiLR goalies,
11. Able to protect 7 Skaters and 1 Goalie OR 8 Skaters,
12. Must expose 1 Goalie from the regular roster or expose 3 in MiLR if there is no qualifying regular roster Goalie to be exposed,
13. Any team losing a Goalie in the expansion draft will be compensated (2 Supplemental Draft picks plus 1 additional 2021 Entry Draft pick at the end of Round 1 when losing a regular roster goalie or 1 Supplemental Draft pick at the end of Round 2 in 2021 when losing a MiLR Goalie)
14. Must expose 3 defencemen,
15. All Franchise Players (FP) must be protected (FP’s will be frozen until after Expansion Draft, cannot be changed during that early off-season period),
16. Maximum 4 Entry Level Contract (ELC) players can be protected,
17. Maximum 5 expiring contracts (ending in 2021 and no extension) can be drafted by Seattle,
18. Exempt: MiLR except where 1 goalie needs to be exposed,
19. Teams can trade expansion draft exemption rights with Seattle (beginning Oct 31, 2020).
20. Original Expansion Draft & Roster Players Link To-Be-Updated


:iatp:  If you look through a handful of teams, you can see how this works fairly.
Full disclosure, VEGAS is exempt but if we weren't, we would be able to respect these expansion rules. Well organize IMHO. :winner:
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: ALL4U2NV on November 04, 2020, 11:32:03 AM
Conditions for Expansion & Operation:
13. Any team losing a Goalie in the expansion draft will be compensated (2 Supplemental Draft picks plus 1 additional 2021 Entry Draft pick at the end of Round 1 when losing a regular roster goalie or 1 Supplemental Draft pick at the end of Round 2 in 2021 when losing a MiLR Goalie)

This is a great call to compensate a team losing a goalie.
Goalies are highly valued in FNHL. Good to see this rule!
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: Rock On on November 04, 2020, 12:44:13 PM
This is a great call to compensate a team losing a goalie.
Goalies are highly valued in FNHL. Good to see this rule!
:iatp::iatp: I think that's a good decision as well.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: AntMan on November 04, 2020, 04:55:05 PM
Well AntMan is not for it as I paid the price w no compensation. Precedent was set as no compensation. 

I don’t think a team heads above the pack like Nashville should be propped up by this. Two goalies is a luxury and you have all season to make a trade. To that point the Kraken have more trade leverage on six or so teams w/o the addition of the rule.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: King Boseman on November 04, 2020, 07:32:39 PM
16 puts a limit on ELC players or first contract players. I suspect teams with 5 Or more ELC are not a threat to the cup and we shouldn’t fracture their rebuilding. I think Seattle likes this rule but it robs the leagues parity progress and was not capped in the prior expansion. I would think the owners would want a vote to add this but a good parity topic like rollback of cap.

15 does the 20-21 regular season conclude and allow for tags to be removed before expansion takes place? Else two franchise tagged goalies could cause an issue since they cannot both be protected. If it’s open season to remove tags.. likely won’t need this rule.

14 I don’t remember but reasonable to assume all teams will meet this if nhl games count is not a factor.

13 hurts Seattle’s ability to negotiate a bigger deal. St. Louis or Colorado were not compensated in the prior expansion. I think this goes away but I’m open to compensation in arrears. Teams w two good goalies should be sweating and paying a luxury tax. The expansion draft provides the vehicle to tax.

18 is new; I don’t see it playing a role but maybe one team protects the Milr interests by adding a FA goalie to expose? Or games played matters?

Definitely good to have the rules list published. I like that you were proactive to possibly expanded rule set. 13 certainly caught me by surprise and I am interested in understanding the other rules for balance to league and draft value proposition.

AntMan! I promise I will be gentle. ;-) Wink Wink
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on November 05, 2020, 03:45:38 PM
16 puts a limit on ELC players or first contract players. I suspect teams with 5 Or more ELC are not a threat to the cup and we shouldn’t fracture their rebuilding. I think Seattle likes this rule but it robs the leagues parity progress and was not capped in the prior expansion. I would think the owners would want a vote to add this but a good parity topic like rollback of cap.

15 does the 20-21 regular season conclude and allow for tags to be removed before expansion takes place? Else two franchise tagged goalies could cause an issue since they cannot both be protected. If it’s open season to remove tags.. likely won’t need this rule.

14 I don’t remember but reasonable to assume all teams will meet this if nhl games count is not a factor.

13 hurts Seattle’s ability to negotiate a bigger deal. St. Louis or Colorado were not compensated in the prior expansion. I think this goes away but I’m open to compensation in arrears. Teams w two good goalies should be sweating and paying a luxury tax. The expansion draft provides the vehicle to tax.

18 is new; I don’t see it playing a role but maybe one team protects the Milr interests by adding a FA goalie to expose? Or games played matters?

Definitely good to have the rules list published. I like that you were proactive to possibly expanded rule set. 13 certainly caught me by surprise and I am interested in understanding the other rules for balance to league and draft value proposition.



Every team (aside from VGK, BUF & ANH) will play by the same rules. Even my Flyers are impacted, so will PR's Panthers.

If you apply the rules across the league or simply take a sample size to apply these expansion rules to, everyone will see that it gives all teams a chance to protect their core. A team simply won't have the luxury of being untouchable.

Ultimately, each team will lose 1 player. All I would say is, protect that one player if he's that critical to your franchise.

#15 is self explanatory. FP's locked until expansion draft completed. So whoever a team Franchise's and benefits from a discount, well you need to protect that player who gave you a hometown discount.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: EndGame on November 05, 2020, 05:25:13 PM
Just for practice and for fun, if Anaheim had to submit a protection list this is what it would look like at this point:

:ANA: Mock Protection List 7 Skaters AND 1 Goalie
1. Tomas Hertl, $5.3m (2019-2022)
2. Brayden Point, $7.4m (2019-2023)
3. Jared McCann, $2.4m (2019-2022)
4. Joshua Morrissey, $2.8m (2019-2022)
5. Josh Manson, $4.5m (2018-2022-FP-6.0 :ANA:). Franchise Player is protected
6. Tom Wilson, $10.0m (2020-2025)
7. Jared McCann, $2.4m (2019-2022)
8. Kevin Lankinen, $4.9m (2020-2023)

3 Defencemen exposed:
1. Anthony Bitetto, $0.6m (2019-2021)
2. Greg Pateryn, $0.7m (2020-2022)
3. Jason Demers, $1.5m (2020-2023)

Maximum 4 Entry Level Contract (ELC) players can be protected:
1. Nico Hischier, $3.0m (2018-2021-ELC)

Maximum 5 expiring contracts (ending in 2021 and no extension)
n/a

Must expose 1 Goalie from the regular roster or expose 3 in MiLR if there is no qualifying regular roster Goalie to be exposed
Anders Nilsson, $5.3m (2020-2023) is exposed
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: AntMan on November 05, 2020, 05:44:10 PM


Every team (aside from VGK, BUF & ANH) will play by the same rules. Even my Flyers are impacted, so will PR's Panthers.

If you apply the rules across the league or simply take a sample size to apply these expansion rules to, everyone will see that it gives all teams a chance to protect their core. A team simply won't have the luxury of being untouchable.

Ultimately, each team will lose 1 player. All I would say is, protect that one player if he's that critical to your franchise.

#15 is self explanatory. FP's locked until expansion draft completed. So whoever a team Franchise's and benefits from a discount, well you need to protect that player who gave you a hometown discount.

So the competition point of 15 is can Nashville tag both goalies since both cannot be protected

Sounds like “no” ?

Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: Burkes Boys on November 05, 2020, 07:02:40 PM
So the competition point of 15 is can Nashville tag both goalies since both cannot be protected

Sounds like “no” ?
You got to be kidding me. Come on Ant, really. Lobbying? Boo Ant! Booooooooooo!
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: Burkes Boys on November 05, 2020, 07:05:04 PM
I think it's obvious a team with 2 starting G can't protect both as the rule is written.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: AntMan on November 05, 2020, 07:28:03 PM
You got to be kidding me. Come on Ant, really. Lobbying? Boo Ant! Booooooooooo!

I’ve got a former champ to catch. If this expansion rule means Nashville cannot franchise both those goalies headed into this next season it’s to Colorado Dallas and Chicago’s advantage.

I certainly don’t want Nashville getting compensation for losing a goalie after I took the loss without return.  Boo that nonsense

I’m also after that rule rewarding winners w draft picks but that’s another thread.... Ant rant concluded
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: King Boseman on November 06, 2020, 12:12:25 PM
I see the competitive juices are flowing in FNHL. Game ON!
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: dazfoster on November 06, 2020, 12:30:56 PM
PPG i take it that the 4 ELC contracts that can be protected are part of the 7 skaters and 1 G or 8 skaters and no G. Protection slots.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: PigsRule on November 06, 2020, 02:49:25 PM
Just for practice and for fun, if Anaheim had to submit a protection list this is what it would look like at this point:

:ANA: Mock Protection List 7 Skaters AND 1 Goalie
1. Tomas Hertl, $5.3m (2019-2022)
2. Brayden Point, $7.4m (2019-2023)
3. Jared McCann, $2.4m (2019-2022)
4. Joshua Morrissey, $2.8m (2019-2022)
5. Josh Manson, $4.5m (2018-2022-FP-6.0 :ANA:). Franchise Player is protected
6. Tom Wilson, $10.0m (2020-2025)
7. Jared McCann, $2.4m (2019-2022)
8. Kevin Lankinen, $4.9m (2020-2023)

3 Defencemen exposed:
1. Anthony Bitetto, $0.6m (2019-2021)
2. Greg Pateryn, $0.7m (2020-2022)
3. Jason Demers, $1.5m (2020-2023)

Maximum 4 Entry Level Contract (ELC) players can be protected:
1. Nico Hischier, $3.0m (2018-2021-ELC)

Maximum 5 expiring contracts (ending in 2021 and no extension)
n/a

Must expose 1 Goalie from the regular roster or expose 3 in MiLR if there is no qualifying regular roster Goalie to be exposed
Anders Nilsson, $5.3m (2020-2023) is exposed
:iatp: good practice list!
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: PigsRule on November 06, 2020, 02:54:40 PM
So the competition point of 15 is can Nashville tag both goalies since both cannot be protected

Sounds like “no” ?



Great question that deserves clarification.
If a team exposes the minimum number of goalies for the expansion draft, that is important.

The rules are 7skaters + 1goalie or 8 skaters.

If a team has 2 FP goalies, only 1 will be allowed under the cover of protection.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: PigsRule on November 06, 2020, 02:56:41 PM
PPG i take it that the 4 ELC contracts that can be protected are part of the 7 skaters and 1 G or 8 skaters and no G. Protection slots.

4 ELC will be over and above the 8 core protected.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: AntMan on November 06, 2020, 04:51:56 PM
4 ELC will be over and above the 8 core protected.

The change here is that it was unlimited last go.

I think this also goes for any player w their first FNHL contract in the first two years are exempt. So example Wyatte Wylie just signed by Colorado is not expansion draft eligible.  If we are adopting these added rules and limitations then I would probably expose him.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: blkhwkfn on November 06, 2020, 05:46:22 PM
The change here is that it was unlimited last go.

I think this also goes for any player w their first FNHL contract in the first two years are exempt. So example Wyatte Wylie just signed by Colorado is not expansion draft eligible.  If we are adopting these added rules and limitations then I would probably expose him.
yes All ELC contracts were out of play, not sure why the change.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: Jonathan on November 06, 2020, 06:59:32 PM
yes All ELC contracts were out of play, not sure why the change.
The last GM didn't know what he was doing.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: Jonathan on November 06, 2020, 07:14:27 PM
I don't have any major issues with rules. Just like in the past, teams will adjust and get creative. I just think they need to be 100% finalized before we even draft this year. I think most GM's look that far ahead and knowing possible needs on draft day and planning extensions, etc is a major part of this league. I am still confused on the extension after the season. Are we able to extend our guys after the Expansion draft, if not drafted? If we can't, then I am against Seattle being able to draft those players in final yr.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: dickiedunn on November 06, 2020, 09:17:32 PM
Conditions for Expansion & Operation:

(A) FRANCHISE BEGINS PLAY 2021-22,

(B) FRANCHISE OPERATIONAL AS OF 2020-21,

(C) CANNOT SIGN FREE AGENTS during the 2020-21 season; can trade for MiLR players and draft picks (Entry or Supplemental) anytime before expansion draft.

(D) EXPANSION DRAFT RULES:
1. Expansion draft will take place after FNHL Finals completed, prior to FNHL Supplemental Draft,
2. Expansion Draft to take place over 5-days May 1-5, 2021 TBD
3. Minimum: 10 forwards, 8 defencemen and 2 regular roster goaltenders (OR 1 regular roster plus 2 MiLR Goalies),
4. Total salaries of Expansion Draft players must be minimum of $38.7m (50% of 2020-21 FNHL Cap Ceiling of $81.5m - MINUS 5% rollback),
5. Cannot Buyout Expansion Draft Players before April 15, 2022 TBD - but can trade them,
6. Any original Seattle Expansion Draft player can be designated a Franchise Player,
7. FNHL Vegas Golden Knights, FNHL Buffalo Sabres & FNHL Anaheim Ducks are exempt from expansion draft,
8. Maximum of 5 teams can be exempt as decided by Seattle over and above VGK, BUF & ANH,
9. A team can only lose maximum 1 player in the expansion draft,
10. Maximum 2 regular roster goalies can be drafted by Seattle OR 1 regular roster goalie plus 2 MiLR goalies,
11. Able to protect 7 Skaters and 1 Goalie OR 8 Skaters,
12. Must expose 1 Goalie from the regular roster or expose 3 in MiLR if there is no qualifying regular roster Goalie to be exposed,
13. Any team losing a Goalie in the expansion draft will be compensated (2 Supplemental Draft picks plus 1 additional 2021 Entry Draft pick at the end of Round 1 when losing a regular roster goalie or 1 Supplemental Draft pick at the end of Round 2 in 2021 when losing a MiLR Goalie)
14. Must expose 3 defencemen,
15. All Franchise Players (FP) must be protected (FP’s will be frozen until after Expansion Draft, cannot be changed during that early off-season period),
16. Maximum 4 Entry Level Contract (ELC) players can be protected,
17. Maximum 5 expiring contracts (ending in 2021 and no extension) can be drafted by Seattle,
18. Exempt: MiLR except where 1 goalie needs to be exposed,
19. Teams can trade expansion draft exemption rights with Seattle (beginning Oct 31, 2020).
20. Original Expansion Draft & Roster Players Link To-Be-Updated

:iatp: The rules are reasonable and though Chicago management would have preferred additional numbers of protected players, all teams face the same challenge and we will all come out of this expansion draft a better league as a whole.
- DD
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: dickiedunn on November 06, 2020, 09:21:56 PM
P.S. I love AntMan’s candor while antagonizing his division rival.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: AntMan on November 07, 2020, 11:23:19 AM
P.S. I love AntMan’s candor while antagonizing his division rival.

That’s our rival DD and that’s a dynamic team in music city.

I was expecting the same rules from Vegas draft.

Apropos candor I’d like goalie compensation removed. It’s not the same for everyone like the other rules and wasn’t necessary last go.

Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: TheBeef on November 07, 2020, 07:40:54 PM
Antman's right, it's not the same for all teams. Buffalo gets a pass for sucking year after year. :rofl:
Seriously, I appreciate the pass on this expansion draft.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: Mordecai on November 10, 2020, 06:20:44 PM
Com'on Ant! Don't give my Habs a hard time. We haven't played one another enough times to even develop a rivalry.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: AntMan on November 10, 2020, 07:08:40 PM
Com'on Ant! Don't give my Habs a hard time. We haven't played one another enough times to even develop a rivalry.

You’ll be ok w/o goalie compensation, you have a top team.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: PigsRule on November 10, 2020, 11:30:33 PM
AntMan brought the big spoon to stir it up!

Mordecai doesn’t need Price and Vaseline.

King Boseman keeping busy around Profsl.

PPG seemingly on vacay!
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: Burkes Boys on November 11, 2020, 11:11:03 AM
You’ll be ok w/o goalie compensation, you have a top team.
AntMan's bullying me again MOM! :rofl::rofl: We are all watching you continually assembling the best young roster. :thumbsup: So we don't feel bad for your Colorado Avalanche. Not one bit. But I have to say it'll be tougher without the assistance of Indians. :rofl: Some of us still talk about how the Avs were gifted Cayden Primeau.  :puke::puke::thumbsup:
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: AntMan on November 11, 2020, 12:20:53 PM
AntMan's bullying me again MOM! :rofl::rofl: We are all watching you continually assembling the best young roster. :thumbsup: So we don't feel bad for your Colorado Avalanche. Not one bit. But I have to say it'll be tougher without the assistance of Indians. :rofl: Some of us still talk about how the Avs were gifted Cayden Primeau.  :puke::puke::thumbsup:

I’m happy to discuss this because I think there is a cluster of teams stuck on this one transaction and holding up trade conversations creating a Venn diagram or silo trade circles where we should be wide open but very few are in the overlap.

Let’s remember Cayden was the 29th best goalie spec at the time and hadn’t be regraded as some Price equivalent. Boston trades a Late supplemental to Indians for a first. Colorado then offered up a supplemental on the trade block having two left and we struck a deal with indians agreeing on two supplementals for Primeau. IMO at that time the first was worth the same or slightly more than Primeau so I had the lesser of the deals. There was a trade committee and I’d say they (yourself included) agreed at that moment demand and value was high on those supplemental picks. You just have to vote and move on and you must have agreed then.

Certainly no more of a gift than Binnington who’s actually producing in FNHL.  :puke:

Let’s also remember some trades go bad for Colorado and others also. Who deals for Beartschi giving up McAvoy.

Pick your poison in a league of sharks. That’s why we need parity rules so the big sharks get challenged. You’re the biggest shark right now BB. They’re going to come for you...
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: Burkes Boys on November 11, 2020, 01:38:03 PM
You know I'm just adding my version of Antman to this thread right. But I have to say Indians ripped my heart out when he traded away Sebastian Aho, Nikita Gusev AND Johnny Gaudreau from my heavily scouted former San Jose Sharks franchise. At least Rock On has worked on rebuilding the minors over there. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: AntMan on November 11, 2020, 02:46:11 PM
You know I'm just adding my version of Antman to this thread right. But I have to say Indians ripped my heart out when he traded away Sebastian Aho, Nikita Gusev AND Johnny Gaudreau from my heavily scouted former San Jose Sharks franchise. At least Rock On has worked on rebuilding the minors over there. :thumbsup:

Feels like a separate unique perspective entirely. I’d just call it a Burkeeee

I think we both value prospects so I could see how that might be viewed as wreckless management.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: TheBeef on November 11, 2020, 03:10:13 PM
PPG seemingly on vacay!

Seems PPG is take a breather before the entry draft. :afro::winner::toast:
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: dazfoster on November 11, 2020, 04:39:27 PM
Antman you did deal Baertschi for McAvoy to me when charlie was in his NCAA year but you also did a deal with me for Matthews for Forsberg, Stecher and Bennett, which has turned quite favorably to Colorado advantage.

I'm fine with the expanaion draft rules.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: Jonathan on November 22, 2020, 10:10:53 PM
Feels like a separate unique perspective entirely. I’d just call it a Burkeeee

I think we both value prospects so I could see how that might be viewed as wreckless management.


Yeah, BB does well. Like all of us hit a few miss a few. Aho was a monster hit for him, that was traded like you get players like that in every 2nd round LOL.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: King Boseman on November 23, 2020, 10:24:40 AM
The strange thing with Aho was how invisible he was to all the web prospect analysts. If you report reports based on other people's reports, that's what happens. The misinformation snowballs. If you just want vids of a player (at least for fantasy and even if you have to make decisions for a team in real life), you can tell whether a player has skills or not. Scouts were really down on him for his size which has turned out to be the trends since 2017 to go small and skilled.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: Jonathan on November 23, 2020, 11:55:06 AM
The strange thing with Aho was how invisible he was to all the web prospect analysts. If you report reports based on other people's reports, that's what happens. The misinformation snowballs. If you just want vids of a player (at least for fantasy and even if you have to make decisions for a team in real life), you can tell whether a player has skills or not. Scouts were really down on him for his size which has turned out to be the trends since 2017 to go small and skilled.

This happens a lot with European Skaters. Not as much information available. Aho was a great pick here. The days of sleeping on Finnish prospects might be over though, even the projected number 1 is from there. We miss our on the ground Finnish guy in Johnny.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: mcrow on January 26, 2021, 10:23:04 AM
Couple of questions:

1. Since Seattle can take up to two (2) MiLR goalies ... can owners protect a MiLR goalie as our goalie (assuming we are also exposing a goalie on the active roster)? The (http://profsl.com/smf/Smileys/default/DAL-NHL2.png) are asking for a friend. (http://www.profsl.com/smf/Smileys/default/rotfl.gif)

2. Just for clarity ... are we able to protect 7 skaters total (regardless of position ... F/D)? Or is it 7 forwards + 3 defensemen? (The rule just says 7 skaters + 1 Goalie or 8 Skaters, but I saw an example using 7 forwards + 3 defensemen.)

Thanks!
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on January 30, 2021, 12:53:50 PM
Couple of questions:

1. Since Seattle can take up to two (2) MiLR goalies ... can owners protect a MiLR goalie as our goalie (assuming we are also exposing a goalie on the active roster)? The (http://profsl.com/smf/Smileys/default/DAL-NHL2.png) are asking for a friend. (http://www.profsl.com/smf/Smileys/default/rotfl.gif)

The rule is "12. Must expose 1 Goalie from the regular roster or expose 3 in MiLR if there is no qualifying regular roster Goalie to be exposed,"


2. Just for clarity ... are we able to protect 7 skaters total (regardless of position ... F/D)? Or is it 7 forwards + 3 defensemen? (The rule just says 7 skaters + 1 Goalie or 8 Skaters, but I saw an example using 7 forwards + 3 defensemen.)

The rule is "11. Able to protect 7 Skaters and 1 Goalie OR 8 Skaters," - regardless of skater position F or D, C vs W vs D, all count as skaters.

Let me know if more clarity is needed. :toast:
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: mcrow on January 30, 2021, 01:04:58 PM
The rule is "12. Must expose 1 Goalie from the regular roster or expose 3 in MiLR if there is no qualifying regular roster Goalie to be exposed,"


The rule is "11. Able to protect 7 Skaters and 1 Goalie OR 8 Skaters," - regardless of skater position F or D, C vs W vs D, all count as skaters.

Let me know if more clarity is needed. :toast:

Makes sense to me. Thanks for the clarification, PPG! (http://www.profsl.com/smf/Smileys/default/toast.gif)
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: dazfoster on January 31, 2021, 01:16:40 PM
PPG Question.

Take it rule 16. Maximum 4 Entry Level Contract (ELC) players can be protected.
Is that of they have to be part of the 7 skaters +1G or 8 skaters each team protects and not that of extra protection spots from them 8 spots.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: blkhwkfn on February 02, 2021, 09:43:51 AM
This happens a lot with European Skaters. Not as much information available. Aho was a great pick here. The days of sleeping on Finnish prospects might be over though, even the projected number 1 is from there. We miss our on the ground Finnish guy in Johnny.
The other thing with Sebastian Aho is that draft year there were 2 players with the same name, just to add to the confusion
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on February 04, 2021, 10:18:24 AM
PPG Question.

Take it rule 16. Maximum 4 Entry Level Contract (ELC) players can be protected.
Is that of they have to be part of the 7 skaters +1G or 8 skaters each team protects and not that of extra protection spots from them 8 spots.

To clarify, the additional protected ELC are over and above the 8 core active roster players being protected.

Vancouver can protect 8 players from the Active roster PLUS an additional 4 Entry Level Contract players.

Also, a team will expose needed goalies in the MiLR is none on the Active roster are available.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: AntMan on March 15, 2021, 08:17:16 PM
Just looking for confirmation that the following plan in Colorado is safe?

8 skaters selected:
Jean-Gabriel Pageau, $1.6m (2019-2022)
Auston Matthews, $5.5m (2018-2022)
Nolan Patrick, $1.5m (2020-2023)
Pierre-Luc Dubois, $3.0m (2018-2021-ELC)
Filip Forsberg, $7.0m (2020-2024)
Drake Batherson, $0.7m (2020-2022)
Kasperi Kapanen, $2.7m (2019-2022)
Andrei Svechnikov $3.0m (2019-2022-ELC)

ELC protected:
Nikita Gusev, $0.7m (2020-2023-ELC)
Victor Olofsson, $0.7m (2020-2023-ELC)
Joel Farabee $2.0m (2020-2023-ELC)
Linus Ullmark, $1.0m (2019-2022-ELC)


We’ll expose Curtis McBackup and Craig Anderson
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on April 20, 2021, 11:17:28 AM
Just looking for confirmation that the following plan in Colorado is safe?

8 skaters selected:
Jean-Gabriel Pageau, $1.6m (2019-2022)
Auston Matthews, $5.5m (2018-2022)
Nolan Patrick, $1.5m (2020-2023)
Pierre-Luc Dubois, $3.0m (2018-2021-ELC)
Filip Forsberg, $7.0m (2020-2024)
Drake Batherson, $0.7m (2020-2022)
Kasperi Kapanen, $2.7m (2019-2022)
Andrei Svechnikov $3.0m (2019-2022-ELC)

ELC protected:
Nikita Gusev, $0.7m (2020-2023-ELC)
Victor Olofsson, $0.7m (2020-2023-ELC)
Joel Farabee $2.0m (2020-2023-ELC)
Linus Ullmark, $1.0m (2019-2022-ELC)


We’ll expose Curtis McBackup and Craig Anderson

We're going to look over that ELC rule witn PR and get back to you Antman & Daz.
Title: Re: FNHL Seattle Expansion Rules
Post by: PsychoticPondGoons on April 20, 2021, 11:23:13 AM
The only outstanding Protection Lists are for :OTT: (new owner inserted today) & :NJD:

Get your lists in gents!