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FNHL Minimum Player Salary: Change needed for 2018-19?

No - keep min. at $0.2m the way it's been since 2010.
3 (13.6%)
Yes - understand it's a necessary cost adjustment in a salary cap league. $0.6m new min.
19 (86.4%)

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Voting closed: October 04, 2017, 03:03:48 PM

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Re: 2018-19 FNHL Minimum Skater Salary: $0.6m
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2017, 03:20:35 PM »
I thought this was a matter to be voted on?

Unless the sample size of response let the mods know it would never pass, it seems to me that changing rules on the fly without a vote puts some owners at a serious disadvantage as this is a money league.

What exactly I mean by that is we have different owners with different strategies some of which are long term and some short, particularly my strategy which often allows me to buyout players at 100k because of the minimum salary.

To not put this matter to a vote at the very least is an outrage for me at least all jokes aside.

Changing rules on the fly has an adverse effect. The free milr till 82 games was at least a voted topic. Still it screwed a strategy 3 years in the making and now this.

It seems that all these new rules are geared to enfisize drafting players and maybe some find it insulting that I'm able to compete while BooYah! ting on the draft, but this isn't the league I joined anymore, and the rules have taken a drastic turn.

When rule changes are voted on, then it is what it is and I can accept that. A 300% increase on minimum salaries with no vote, it isn't fair, and that pisses me off.

I'm not one to hide my thoughts.

You can be outraged.
Even when we vote you get POed so I just have to guess you're a tough guy to please.
But this fantasy game ain't about pleasing Daddy. That's a different fantasy! LOL

The minimum has been too low for 3 seasons now.
31 teams.
Immediately extensions to whip out bad contracts.
Plenty of good stuff to help owners build winning teams.
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Re: 2018-19 FNHL Minimum Skater Salary: $0.6m
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2017, 03:22:18 PM »
This impacts everyone. So I don't see how there's an advantage or disadvantage.
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Re: 2018-19 FNHL Minimum Skater Salary: $0.6m
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2017, 03:29:53 PM »
If this is a move to slow or curve the FA spending i dont think it will. However all that said i do think Daddy's point about greater emphasis on the actual value of drafting is warranted. I know this is a vision of the comish from conversations i had with PR before I agreed to join the FNHL.

Not related the FA. Owners will spend what they have and bidding wars will be intense in a league with 31 teams and no real geographic limitations or family needs vs player career needs. There's free movement.

This is about inflation and cost adjustment. Cap creeping up annually and the bottomend needs to catch up with the top end. Simple economics.

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I know not everyone agrees with decisions (rule changes) made here, but i do know that any change is in the best interest of the FNHL as a league not to benefit or hurt any one franchise. Hope that all made sense.

You got it. We have a great league/product here. The min. salary of 0.2m is too low after 7 years. This is a cap league business decision.


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Re: 2018-19 FNHL Minimum Skater Salary: $0.6m
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2017, 02:31:03 AM »
You can be outraged.
Even when we vote you get POed so I just have to guess you're a tough guy to please.
But this fantasy game ain't about pleasing Daddy. That's a different fantasy! LOL

The minimum has been too low for 3 seasons now.
31 teams.
Immediately extensions to whip out bad contracts.
Plenty of good stuff to help owners build winning teams.
I praise this league out loud more than anyone. There are many great things about it.

I also bang the table when something is unfair, wrong, or unacceptable imo. It's who I am, and I've been told opinions are welcomed, even if they are against the mainstream.

I believe when there is money on the line  every rule change should be a proposal and voted on. If the mods didn't themselves have team's, then I would not object. However the mods are also gm's in this league, and because of that fact alone there should never be a change without majority vote.

It's not being po'd that should be highlighted as much as being fair to processes. The great thing about America is it is a democratic union of states. A lesson can be learned there.

People who are active gamblers should not have the power to change the rules of the gamble because they say so. It's the same reason why bud selig gave up the brewers. Imagine Roger Goodell owning the Cowboys, it's the same principal.

This should have been put to vote. If it passes, then it passes, but without a vote it's not right even if you explain what the two of you were thinking. Period.
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Re: 2018-19 FNHL Minimum Skater Salary: $0.6m
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2017, 10:19:06 AM »
Bud Selig sighting in the FNHL? haha As a huge Brewers fan before the move to the NL Selig's daughter ran the team when her Dad became comish. She also ran the thing into the ground, it basically was an extra farm team for the rest of the MLB. We would develop a good player and instead of paying him they would send them packing to another team that could. many of the trades were garbage. 2005 was a blessing when they sold, I think more people went to White Sox games. so that brings me to my question. Was there a vote on Goalie contract extensions?
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Re: 2018-19 FNHL Minimum Skater Salary: $0.6m
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2017, 02:41:47 PM »
Bud Selig sighting in the FNHL? haha As a huge Brewers fan before the move to the NL Selig's daughter ran the team when her Dad became comish. She also ran the thing into the ground, it basically was an extra farm team for the rest of the MLB. We would develop a good player and instead of paying him they would send them packing to another team that could. many of the trades were garbage. 2005 was a blessing when they sold, I think more people went to White Sox games. so that brings me to my question. Was there a vote on Goalie contract extensions?

League business decision to balance team cap and make goalie movement in the free market a reality.
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Re: 2018-19 FNHL Minimum Skater Salary: $0.6m
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2017, 02:57:37 PM »
I praise this league out loud more than anyone. There are many great things about it.

I also bang the table when something is unfair, wrong, or unacceptable imo. It's who I am, and I've been told opinions are welcomed, even if they are against the mainstream.

I believe when there is money on the line  every rule change should be a proposal and voted on. If the mods didn't themselves have team's, then I would not object. However the mods are also gm's in this league, and because of that fact alone there should never be a change without majority vote.

It's not being po'd that should be highlighted as much as being fair to processes. The great thing about America is it is a democratic union of states. A lesson can be learned there.

People who are active gamblers should not have the power to change the rules of the gamble because they say so. It's the same reason why bud selig gave up the brewers. Imagine Roger Goodell owning the Cowboys, it's the same principal.

This should have been put to vote. If it passes, then it passes, but without a vote it's not right even if you explain what the two of you were thinking. Period.

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Re: 2018-19 FNHL Minimum Skater Salary: $0.6m
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2017, 03:05:16 PM »
Owners can vote. Majority rules. Voting open 14 days. Each team counts for 1 vote. If you own more than 1 team, then you have more say.
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Re: 2018-19 FNHL Minimum Skater Salary: $0.6m
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2017, 03:23:01 PM »
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Re: 2018-19 FNHL Minimum Skater Salary: $0.6m
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2017, 03:27:02 PM »
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Here's my take as a commissioner.

Not only does FNHL give owners 30 roster spots, use of MiLR player in & out free without a contract, the min salary of 0.2m makes it too easy to sign random players at will and dump when they don't pan out.

A vote against the increase means you prefer things easier and less challenging is the way I see it. That doesn't sound like the group of owners we have in Franchise NHL!

How many 0.2m players do teams have on average?

8 on Carolina (new wave of ownership)
5 on LAK (Commissioner)
2 on BUF (newest FNHL owner)
2 on STL (2nd newest FNHL owner)
5 on FLA (Commissioner)
6 on TB  (Daddy)

Random avg calculation: 4.8666 players have the current 0.2m min salary per team.
If we increase to 0.6m in 2018-19, thatll cost 1.8m more on avg. Doubt that hurts anyone. Definitely not a competitive edge for anyone.


That reads like basic cap league math.
Cap ceiling goes up.
10m in 4yrs.
But Min. player salary stays flat at a low of 0.2m?
Let's fix this already and move on.
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