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Fantasy Leagues => Franchise GM: Rules Changes => Franchise GM: History Books => Franchise GM => MLB Leagues => Franchise GM: Clarifications & Discussion => Topic started by: h4cheng on August 02, 2012, 12:48:26 PM
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Are we making any changes to the 2014 draft to align ourselves with the MLB draft changes?
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Are we making any changes to the 2014 draft to align ourselves with the MLB draft changes?
What changes would that include?
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Things that MLB doing differently:
- Salary pool to be used on the draft, penalties if team go over said pool
- Cap on international signings
- No more Type A/B FAs
- Draft lottery for small market teams
These are the more important that would affect how the draft is working.
I guess the two question is two fold: should we follow MLB, and if so, to what extend?
And just to re-iterate, I do not think any changes should effect the 2013 draft as many have already acted/planned according to the current set of rules.
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Things that MLB doing differently:
- Salary pool to be used on the draft, penalties if team go over said pool
- Cap on international signings
- No more Type A/B FAs
- Draft lottery for small market teams
These are the more important that would affect how the draft is working.
I guess the two question is two fold: should we follow MLB, and if so, to what extend?
And just to re-iterate, I do not think any changes should effect the 2013 draft as many have already acted/planned according to the current set of rules.
I agree this would affect the 2014 draft. The Type A/B FAs is a key concept that we will be losing. How does the draft lottery work for smaller teams? Can we match the salary pool? We have been working with our own slotted version based on Baseball Prospectus rankings and seems like it would be fine to continue using. What is the cap on international signings?
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Competitive balance draft:
The Competitive Balance Lottery, which was agreed upon as a part of the 2012-2016 Basic Agreement between MLB and the Major League Baseball Players Association, gives Clubs with the lowest revenues and in the smallest markets the opportunity to obtain additional draft picks through a lottery. The 10 Clubs with the lowest revenues and the 10 Clubs in the smallest markets were entered into a lottery for the six selections immediately following the first round of the First-Year Player Draft. The eligible Clubs that did not receive one of the six selections after the first round, and all other payee Clubs under the Revenue Sharing Plan, were entered into a second lottery for the six picks immediately following the second round of the Draft. A Club’s odds of winning the lottery were based on its prior season’s winning percentage.
Cap on International Free Agents (e.g., Guzman) is 2.9M this year (I think).
IMO all the caps are drafting are pretty difficult and pointless to implement.
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We should explore the lottery picks considering they replace the Type A/B FA. The intention of both are the same.
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We should explore the lottery picks considering they replace the Type A/B FA. The intention of both are the same.
Just to clarify, the lottery would not replace Type A/B. It would supplement the FA compensation scheme. The new FA compensation scheme (this is kind of hard to implement):
The current system of draft pick compensation will be replaced with the following
system:
A. Only Players who have been with their Clubs for the entire season will be subject
to compensation.
B. A free agent will be subject to compensation if his former Club offers him a
guaranteed one-year contract with a salary equal to the average salary of the
125-highest paid Players from the prior season. The offer must be made at the
end of the five-day free agent “quiet period,” and the Player will have seven days
to accept the offer.
C. A Club that signs a player subject to compensation will forfeit its first round
selection, unless it selects in the top 10, in which case it will forfeit its secondhighest selection in the draft.
D. The Player’s former Club will receive a selection at the end of the first round
beginning after the last regularly scheduled selection in the round. The former
Clubs will select based on reverse order of winning percentage from the prior
championship season.
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We should explore the lottery picks considering they replace the Type A/B FA. The intention of both are the same.
The lottery picks do not replace the Type A/B FA compensation in MLB. In the MLB you can still get FA compensation under the ew CBA for losing a free agent as long as you make a qualifying offer that is a one year deal with a value equal to or greater then the average of the top 125 salaries for the previous season.
Not sure how or if we would be able to implement a similar system. In real life the player would turn down the offer and become an FA. However here we don't get the oppurtunity to negotiate with players, we just extend them. Maybe we could implement a system where if a player has an extension value that is higher then a certain value then the team can choose not to re-sign the player and instead get compensation picks?
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We could implement a system where the player would have to have an extension value higher then the average of the highest 125 extension values to recieve FA compensation. With the current extension values being used the average would be 12.9M which is very similar to the real life estimates of the MLB qualifying offer of 12.5-13.4M
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Let's get going on this. First, we need to decide to the overall direction. We can try and follow the MLB draft set up or do something slightly different (e.g., allowed to trade picks).
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Let's include Corey's mention of relievers not receiving compensation - if that is indeed not the case.
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Let's include Corey's mention of relievers not receiving compensation - if that is indeed not the case.
A free agent will be subject to compensation if his former Club offers him a
guaranteed one-year contract with a salary equal to the average salary of the
125-highest paid Players from the prior season. The offer must be made at the
end of the five-day free agent “quiet period,” and the Player will have seven days
to accept the offer.
If our goal is to follow the MLB draft to a tee then it's possible that a RP would still yield a draft pick.
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We had a rule in place that you needed to bid on your RFA's in order to receive comepnsation. Maybe we should bring that rule back, to emulate the "extension" clause in the new set of MLB rules.
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Re: relief pitchers...wait til the season starts to sign them. If you are really jonesing for them, then yes they should count as all other players do
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We had a rule in place that you needed to bid on your RFA's in order to receive comepnsation. Maybe we should bring that rule back, to emulate the "extension" clause in the new set of MLB rules.
Don't know how to describe this so will just give an example of why I dont like the bid on your own RFA rule:
Luis Ayala ends the season with LAD and is the no.70 RP in the game. He goes to FA and :CIN: bids 1M at 12:01am. :LAD: would then need to place a bid higher than 1M to qualify for compensation when in reality a 1M bid would be the market value bid.
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Don't know how to describe this so will just give an example of why I dont like the bid on your own RFA rule:
Luis Ayala ends the season with LAD and is the no.70 RP in the game. He goes to FA and :CIN: bids 1M at 12:01am. :LAD: would then need to place a bid higher than 1M to qualify for compensation when in reality a 1M bid would be the market value bid.
Have the same concerns. :iatp:
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The RFA's would have to be posted by some sort of governing body as opposed to the former owning team throwing out the opening bid. I had that issue with our original bidding process. Unless you guys can figure out a way to negotiate with someone who doesn't exist.
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Again the big picture question is, what's the overall direction for FGM draft? Try to emulate MLB, or go with something different?
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The overall point of this league has been to emulate MLB as best as we can. I would also like to add to sit on changing this until 2014 goes against that. I'm sure the real life Mets were hoping to get a pretty solid draft pick for Jose Reyes, but the CBA was agreed upon, and well they did not. If we are to do this, then it must take hold for the 2013 entry draft.
As far as putting a limit on spending, this goes back to my argument from day 1. We are all constrained by our 40 man roster salary cap, which does not emulate MLB. What teams spend on their 40 man roster is different than what they spend on their draft signings and player development. IMO we should all get 10 mil to play with for the draft and that's that. I don't think it should come out of our salary cap, and never have, since the two are totally different from a business aspect of running a baseball team.
I agree with giving teams an overall cap, but I do not agree with the fact that we should have to spend from our cap on draft picks. I have also been a proponent of doing away with signing bonuses and just letting GMs draft as they see fit, without the constraints of signing bonuses. I am also of the belief that if they don't sign with a team, we should not be able to sign them. We are no longer in the days when someone takes Matt Bush because he is a more affordable than the better player that could be drafted behind him. Plus we don't have owners that we have to haggle with. Shooter would have never been able to do what he did if Angelos was hovering over him. Just saying.
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My proposal:
Draft length: still 10 rounds
Signing bonus: no. Punishes small market team too much.
Draft pick trading: yes
Compensation draft picks: only for the top 125 overall players by points scored
Competitive balance draft: yes
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I vote yay on all except for the top 125...there has got to be some sort of split between pitchers and hitters since we have a 70/30 split as far as points...top 100 hitters, top 50 pitchers?
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If anyone wanted to calculate VORP for our league, the best way to do compensation is top 125 based on VORP so we can eliminate positional scarcity (or lack there of) as a factor.
I think we should have a separate discussion for trading draft picks - this is something the league has voted on in the past, where as the change in RFA rules is a new discussion.
Not sold on dropping singing bonuses so quickly. Again, this is a topic that came up for debate and the league voted. At the time, the current rules were made because in MLB teams have budgets to cover all of their spending and our salary cap is meant to emulate that (regardless of their 40 man roster), and we've discussed at length the need for teams to plan accordingly. Part of this league is budgeting based on how you want to build your team, as MLB teams need to. Billy Beane doesn't get a magical pile of cash just for the draft or international scouting, has one budget and allocates funds between draft or international signing bonuses and his MLB salaries as he sees fit. Now MLB is restricting the amount he can spend on the draft, but the money still comes from his total budget. To my knowledge, the circumstances around this have not changed.
Agree that any changes should not affect this years free agency class, since teams have already potentially made moves (or lack of giving someone up) based on current RFA rules. As usual, we should make changes 1+ year out.