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Fantasy Leagues => Franchise GM: Transactions => Franchise GM => MLB Leagues => Franchise GM: Invalid Transactions => Topic started by: Dan Wood on March 25, 2012, 09:27:09 PM
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Beginning at the start of the regular season the salary figures that we use to correlate our figures for signing players will be changing to emulate the MLB. The old list is antiquated.
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Management
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Just to clarify, the #1 SP in FGM would be paid at the same rate as the highest paid SP in MLB (I think this is still Santana), is that right?
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Sabathia's new deal averages 24.4M per year.
I could be dead wrong on this, but I recall discussing this topic with Colby in the past, and I got the impression that we would not be using the MLB contracts as the basis for contract extensions going forward. Rather, we would let the free agent market in this league determine salaries in the future. There are advantages to not using the real life contracts. For example, I can't imagine anyone re-signing relief pitchers at 12-15M per year since we don't use saves. Also, the new # 1 catcher salary would sky-rocket to 23M per year with Mauer's new contract.
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I discussed it with Colby a few months back and he agreed with me. Letting the league establish value you are going to have nothing but guys making 4 mil a year. This will also maintain the free agency market that will eventually disappear with letting the league establish value.
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I was questioned about this by an outsider. I did change my stance on this issue for the reason that Dan mentioned. There is no one-size fits all unless we simply did not adopt MLB salaries for relievers! What a reasonable GM would do is not pay a top reliever their market value.... think REAL LIFE. Let the other GMs chase fools gold for what amounts to a few extra points per week. Thee +WAR on this over a season is low, but this is why this league makes you feel like you are the GM of the Franchise!
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Does anyone know how the original lists of extension values by position were created? I know where the information comes from, but I cannot think of a way to update the values other than an extremely time-consuming method.
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Sabathia's new deal averages 24.4M per year.
I could be dead wrong on this, but I recall discussing this topic with Colby in the past, and I got the impression that we would not be using the MLB contracts as the basis for contract extensions going forward. Rather, we would let the free agent market in this league determine salaries in the future. There are advantages to not using the real life contracts. For example, I can't imagine anyone re-signing relief pitchers at 12-15M per year since we don't use saves. Also, the new # 1 catcher salary would sky-rocket to 23M per year with Mauer's new contract.
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Those were my original thoughts, but I got the impression from Colby that this topic had already been decided. League management was planning to update the extension values based on real life MLB contracts, not the contracts in the league itself. Therefore, I was hoping that someone familiar with the original setup of the league knew of an easy way to accomplish this task.
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Those were my original thoughts, but I got the impression from Colby that this topic had already been decided. League management was planning to update the extension values based on real life MLB contracts, not the contracts in the league itself. Therefore, I was hoping that someone familiar with the original setup of the league knew of an easy way to accomplish this task.
This may be a good place to start.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/?page_id=179
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Roy I started a list and will finish it mid August...I think we should start it at the end of the season, giving everyone a chance to resign their current players at the current prices. When the books switch over, then we can switch over the values. When I originally posted this, I had grand aspirations that it wasn't going to take as much time.
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Roy I started a list and will finish it mid August...I think we should start it at the end of the season, giving everyone a chance to resign their current players at the current prices. When the books switch over, then we can switch over the values. When I originally posted this, I had grand aspirations that it wasn't going to take as much time.
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Likewise, the market values should be based on our top annual salaries and not MLB.
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Colby that is contradictory to what you and I had originally discussed. We had agreed that the salaries would be changed to reflect the MLB salaries and not the curve that FGM is following.
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Colby that is contradictory to what you and I had originally discussed. We had agreed that the salaries would be changed to reflect the MLB salaries and not the curve that FGM is following.
I feel like I keep contradicting myself on this one. Reflecting MLB salaries will force us to follow the economics of traditional baseball which adds more strategy to our league. For instance, a smart GM will let a good reliever go to FA, take the draft pick, and not sign them to a $50m deal.
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True...but for starters the whole draft pick compensation has changed. More to the point with the way things are going in 6 years the highest paid player will be making 8 million dollars. We don't have young players telling us 'no' to prospect extensions, they just get one. Now I think the prospect extension was a great addition to this league (not just because I came up with it), but since we don't have to negotiate with our young uns, it will eventually lead to a league wide lowered salary ceiling. If no stars are making star money, then there will be no way to associate the MLB/FGM component. We will have completely removed it entirely. Instead of changing it annually, maybe every two years.
But there are other things that real life ball clubs have to worry about that we dont, and that is TV contracts, fans, merchandise, etc. We are not beholden to any of that in this league, where as our real life counterparts are. Walt Jocketty needs attendance, he needs to sell Joey Votto to Reds fans. Whether my team is good or bad has no effect on my team outside of a slim decline in salary cap. So I would not go out of my way to overpay for a Ryan Ludwick to give me a few extra wins to keep Joe Reds fan interested.
I think we need to at least consider the real life salaries because we will eventually not resemble it.
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True...but for starters the whole draft pick compensation has changed. More to the point with the way things are going in 6 years the highest paid player will be making 8 million dollars. We don't have young players telling us 'no' to prospect extensions, they just get one. Now I think the prospect extension was a great addition to this league (not just because I came up with it), but since we don't have to negotiate with our young uns, it will eventually lead to a league wide lowered salary ceiling. If no stars are making star money, then there will be no way to associate the MLB/FGM component. We will have completely removed it entirely. Instead of changing it annually, maybe every two years.
But there are other things that real life ball clubs have to worry about that we dont, and that is TV contracts, fans, merchandise, etc. We are not beholden to any of that in this league, where as our real life counterparts are. Walt Jocketty needs attendance, he needs to sell Joey Votto to Reds fans. Whether my team is good or bad has no effect on my team outside of a slim decline in salary cap. So I would not go out of my way to overpay for a Ryan Ludwick to give me a few extra wins to keep Joe Reds fan interested.
I think we need to at least consider the real life salaries because we will eventually not resemble it.
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I agree Dan.