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Since we voted that the IP limit in this league is 65, and Fantrax does not govern that whatsoever...I propose a rule that if a GM goes over 65 IP for the week, then that GM forfeits the week. The only way I can see to make this rule effective, since Fantrax does not, is to have us GMs do it... I also vote that this shoudl take effect immediately since the 65 IP rule has already been put in place.
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This is fine by me... make sure we sound out a PM about the final ruling.
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I'm a little confused by this proposed rule. I asked how the innings would be monitored prior to last season when the idea was first tossed around to limit innings per week. I was told that Fantrax monitored the innings and that the only limitation to the rule would be that you could go over the innings on the last day if you were under before the day began.
What has changed since then? Has Fantrax stopped monitoring innings pitched?
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I am pretty sure fantrax us working, just look at some of the Boston games. Fantrax has alway allowed a team to go over the limit for the day.
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I think that if someone goes over the limit, that days points should be voided for both pitchers and hitters. The days points can be subtracted from the weeks total and if its early in the week the rest of the week will be voided. I feel voiding the whole week is too much.
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Fantrax does not eliminate any points scored on the final day of scoring. Freddy's idea is a way to do it, and I would be open to that. If you are at 64 IP at the end of Saturday, and you have 3 starters going on Sunday, all of those points will count. I counted several teams that went over the IP limit this week, and if Fantrax isn't doing anything about it, then I feel it is the duty of the RC to uphold the rule of not crossing 65 IP.
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Dan, fantrax has always handled inning limit this way and it's part of the game. Imagine if a team is only at 40 up heading into Sunday and has 4 Sps going on that day. Is it fair to void that enTire day if each sp went 7 innings? My recommendation would to be make no changes this year, and next year change the limit to games started ( I think we did discuss this option last offseason but we went with innings pitched for some reason)
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I am in agreement with Freddy here. I suppose this situation illustrates the need to shift to games started in offseason? Real life managers do not manipulate their rotations on a game to game basis as they do their bullpens. To have such a severe penalty tied to something so arbitrary is dangerous IMO. I see a scenario where a team enters Sunday's games with 62 IP in a tight battle and then has to "roll the dice" and decide to sit a guy who might go 3 1/3 innings and ruin his week.
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We had this issue in NBA Futures and elected for the Fantrax hard cap. Teams then had three chances throughout the entire year to post within that next week that their lineup should be adjusted.
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Fantrax does monitor this, in all baseball leagues. I had teams not get points in leagues because I went over the innings and starts limit.
Im not on the RC but this is preposterous to say you lose automatically. For some people (like me) I am super busy on weekends and not on here much. So I set my lineup on Friday. If I came on Monday and saw I lost because I went over the inn limit, there is no doubt I would quit the league, obviously my schedule or life doesnt fit the time requirements needed to be in this league.
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Corey, see my point about NBA Futures.
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Is this possible to manually edit the total points scored in a week in Fantrax? The fairest way to calculating pitching points for any team over the innings limit would be:
Adjusted Pitching Point = Total Pitching Point * 65 / Innings pitched for the week
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ThE fact of the matter is that the rule is 65 IP... end of story. Because Fantrax has a loophole doesn't make it right. When you break a rule it is considered cheating. Now the question is what is fair punishment?
Corey, busy may be a viable excuse, but I have seen people watch over their rosters like a bird is about to hatch. Plus it isn't preposterous, I have a league that has a similar rule.
Mike if you are sitting at 60 plus innings going into Sunday, then you shouldn't be starting anyone. It's called roster management. And this is the argument as to why we are not a weekly league, BC we want to manage our line ups.
Now we have 3 suggestions... Forfeit, loss of points for an entire day, or what Colby is suggesting. Going over in innings is not an oversight when it happens every week
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Just thought of this as another way to resolve things:
Suppose a team has 60 innings pitched heading into last day, SP1 went for 6 innings, SP2 went for 7 innings and SP3 went for 3 innings on Sunday. Arrange the 3 SPs from the most innings pitched to the least innings pitched, and then bench them until the team falls below 65. In this case, SP1 and SP2 would both be benched and the team is left with 63 innings pitched.
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New Era has a hard cap. Once you hit it, fantrax stops counting points
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As long as you are under the cap at the end of scoring on Saturday, you can throw as many innings as you like on Sunday...
My proposal is this then...
50 points deducted for every inning over the limit...
Howe as per your suggestion, I don't think that will work because it will take too much time, and could be considered baby sitting.
Anyone else have suggestions I am all ears, but this is something that needs to be taken care of. As I said previously the rule is in place, and there is a very exploitable loop hole. I would like to have this taken care of by the end of this scoring period.
Thank you
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I fully support the 65 IP rule, but I think it is too much of an imposition to ask people to calculate how many innings they have left on Sunday before the lineups lock or try to guess how many IP their starters will get on Sunday if they are under the innings limit going into the last day. I am pretty sure that everyone on the RC knew the Fantrax limitations when we voted on the 65 IP rule, because I specifically asked the question myself on the public forum. Therefore, I vote to leave things as is, and let Fantrax handle this as best it can without any human intervention or penalties.
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1. If you are at 60 IP it's not quantum physics...
2. Why I wanted a start limit
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The loophole has been there since last year, so I don't know why we want to start using such a harsh penalty now.
Fantrax does have the capability of adjusting scoring in a given week and it looks pretty flexible. My vote is for if the IP goes over the limit, then
penalty = Total Pitching Points for the week * (Total Innings Pitched - 65) / Total Innings Pitched.
This is the fairest solution. The penalty amount is equal to exactly the amount of scoring excess of 65 innings pitched. Dan I know it's not rocket science when a team is at 60 IP heading into the final day, but what if the team has only 50 innings pitched and 3 starters going on Sunday?
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What if a team has 12 mil to spend and there is a FA going for 10? Same principle. Just because there is a ceiling doesn't mean you have to touch it
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Plus our ip limit was 20 higher last season... Most weren't reaching the loophole
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Over 65 doesnt count. If someone goes over we look at there lineup and find out the last pitcher to pitch and then remove those points.
Simple!
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Over 65 doesnt count. If someone goes over we look at there lineup and find out the last pitcher to pitch and then remove those points.
Simple!
This is what I suggested as well...I don't mind doing the adjusting if someone report the cases to me.
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This is what I suggested as well...I don't mind doing the adjusting if someone report the cases to me.
Id help you look for them. Wont be hard at all
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OR put the onus on the GM. If their score is zero because of the hard cap then they must post within a week in the transactions board to have their lineup fixed. They receive three chances per year.
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Now I am not on the RC, but as a longtime member I thought I might chime in on this. I don't think that most of our staffs would be able to make the 65 IP in a week without some sort of lineup manipulation so if you are active enough to change your lineup that frequently, you should be able to within some sort of reasonable measure, be able to figure out of you are going to be over the limit. Or maybe I am wrong, but what I am saying is that if you are that on top of things, passing the limit is not something that would happen by accident. As Dan has stated and most of you have agreed, it is a loophole and I do think that it is being exploited by some owners. I propose that we cap the IP at 65 so that any points over that are null and void. I do like Colby's suggestion for a three strikes rule as well. Perhaps we can use that to establish which GM's are using this loophole for nefarious means and which ones are simply an oversight. I also agree with Corey in that I sometimes set my lineups on Friday and while I am not in jeopardy of passing this mark, I think a complete forfeiture or something as severe may be a bit harsh. However, if this happens frequently (3 times or more0 then perhaps the RC and the other GMs have a right to enact such a penalty. Like a tiered penalty system (a la MLB PED testing); Once, points do not count above 65. Twice, points do not count above 65 IP and a penalty of some sort; for example -100 points for the week. And then third and all future offenses would be the doomsday rule, forfeiture of the week or something to that. Seems like a lot I know but it seems to balance fairness to those who follow the rules but might make a mistake one week while penalizing repeat offenders who may be seeking to exploit a loophole. Just my two cents, thank you all for your time.
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Now I am not on the RC, but as a longtime member I thought I might chime in on this. I don't think that most of our staffs would be able to make the 65 IP in a week without some sort of lineup manipulation so if you are active enough to change your lineup that frequently, you should be able to within some sort of reasonable measure, be able to figure out of you are going to be over the limit. Or maybe I am wrong, but what I am saying is that if you are that on top of things, passing the limit is not something that would happen by accident. As Dan has stated and most of you have agreed, it is a loophole and I do think that it is being exploited by some owners. I propose that we cap the IP at 65 so that any points over that are null and void. I do like Colby's suggestion for a three strikes rule as well. Perhaps we can use that to establish which GM's are using this loophole for nefarious means and which ones are simply an oversight. I also agree with Corey in that I sometimes set my lineups on Friday and while I am not in jeopardy of passing this mark, I think a complete forfeiture or something as severe may be a bit harsh. However, if this happens frequently (3 times or more0 then perhaps the RC and the other GMs have a right to enact such a penalty. Like a tiered penalty system (a la MLB PED testing); Once, points do not count above 65. Twice, points do not count above 65 IP and a penalty of some sort; for example -100 points for the week. And then third and all future offenses would be the doomsday rule, forfeiture of the week or something to that. Seems like a lot I know but it seems to balance fairness to those who follow the rules but might make a mistake one week while penalizing repeat offenders who may be seeking to exploit a loophole. Just my two cents, thank you all for your time.
Very well said Kris.
:iatp:
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I agree w a 3-strike rule. I do think that the punishment for it happening the first two times is to remove those points. I went over the limit this week by two innings but didn't even know I was going to because I had never before. If those last relief pitcher points were taken off and I was given one strike I would keep a better eye and not hate the league for losing me match ups in a tight race.
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OK so lets tally up...
1. Corey and Howe will be the adjustment bureau - yay for me
2. 3 strike rule - Yay for me
- 1st and 2nd time offense - loss of points over 65
- 3rd time offense - loss of points over 65 plus an additional 100 points for the week
- 4th time and after - loss of all pitching scoring for that week
goes into effect starting next week
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OK so lets tally up...
1. Corey and Howe will be the adjustment bureau - yay for me
2. 3 strike rule - Yay for me
- 1st and 2nd time offense - loss of points over 65
- 3rd time offense - loss of points over 65 plus an additional 100 points for the week
- 4th time and after - loss of all pitching scoring for that week
goes into effect starting next week
:iatp:
As many others have stated I think that losing all pitching points the first time is too harsh of a penalty. I like the three strikes system. I don't think that every team that goes over the IP limit is trying to do that. You could technically be 24 innings from the limit and start 3 pitchers who all pitch Complete games and you would go over. Now the chances of that happening are slim but it could happen and I would hate to see a GM get penalized all of their points for something like that. This is why I support the three strikes approach.
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OK so lets tally up...
1. Corey and Howe will be the adjustment bureau - yay for me
2. 3 strike rule - Yay for me
- 1st and 2nd time offense - loss of points over 65
- 3rd time offense - loss of points over 65 plus an additional 100 points for the week
- 4th time and after - loss of all pitching scoring for that week
goes into effect starting next week
:iatp:
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OK so lets tally up...
1. Corey and Howe will be the adjustment bureau - yay for me
2. 3 strike rule - Yay for me
- 1st and 2nd time offense - loss of points over 65
- 3rd time offense - loss of points over 65 plus an additional 100 points for the week
- 4th time and after - loss of all pitching scoring for that week
goes into effect starting next week
:iatp:
Please make sure the rule book is updated.