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Title: MI Kevin Maitan Discussion
Post by: BHows on July 18, 2016, 12:30:01 AM
$20m

Toronto has failed to post contract terms within the allotted 24hr. period. Therefore he forfeits his rights to K. Maitan.
By rule KC currently has the highest bid at $20m. Also, by rule, the clock restarts from 11:10P East 7/17/16 and bidding may recommence. The same bidding rule applies- High bid must stand for 72 hrs.
Toronto is ineligible to make any further bids.
Title: Re: MI Kevin Maitan Discussion
Post by: Daniel on July 18, 2016, 04:15:12 PM
I was away for the weekend and didn't see I had won. Many times this has happened to all players in the league without having to recur to this situation. Just because you believe I cannot afford the bid does not mean I do not.
Title: Re: MI Kevin Maitan Discussion
Post by: Daniel on July 18, 2016, 04:19:44 PM
My contract offer 5.5m for 4y.

Move Albert Suarez, Edwin Diaz and Hazelbaker to the minors
Drop Tony Sipp and Yadiel Rivera
Drop ARod and Yan Gomes

That should clear the necessary cap room.
Title: Re: MI Kevin Maitan Discussion
Post by: BHows on July 18, 2016, 07:03:54 PM
Too late. You were online yesterday afternnoon when I PM'd and last night when time expired.
Title: Re: MI Kevin Maitan Discussion
Post by: Daniel on July 19, 2016, 09:07:50 AM
BullCrap. I left my computer on for the whole weekend and thus I was locgged in. Very different from being online. Check if I clicked anything over the whole weekend
Title: Re: MI Kevin Maitan Discussion
Post by: BHows on July 19, 2016, 12:37:25 PM
BullBooYah! . I left my computer on for the whole weekend and thus I was locgged in. Very different from being online. Check if I clicked anything over the whole weekend

Daniel you knew that Flash and I were very concerned about your bidding for this player. You told us that you knew what you were doing and that you were aware of the time limitations.
If I'm not mistaken, in that very same chain of PMs I quoted the applicable rule and told you that I intended to use it to it's fullest extent. You were aware of these circumstances and still were irresponsible enough to do absolutely nothing. That's on you, I'm just following the rules.
Title: Re: MI Kevin Maitan Discussion
Post by: Daniel on July 20, 2016, 03:09:12 AM
This league is supposed to be fun. It does not run my life and having a life is not 'being irresponsible'. I cannot know in advance when a bid will be final. Also, I told you the two ways I could cover the bid and fully intended to do so. It is not like I kept a secret how I would do it.

And by the way it is the spirit of the rule what matters. There is zero advantage that I gain from this delay so I do not see why I am breaking the spirit of the rule which is to avoid GM abuse to gain unfair advantages.
Title: Re: MI Kevin Maitan Discussion
Post by: Flash on July 20, 2016, 04:57:15 AM
This league is supposed to be fun. It does not run my life and having a life is not 'being irresponsible'. I cannot know in advance when a bid will be final. Also, I told you the two ways I could cover the bid and fully intended to do so. It is not like I kept a secret how I would do it.

And by the way it is the spirit of the rule what matters. There is zero advantage that I gain from this delay so I do not see why I am breaking the spirit of the rule which is to avoid GM abuse to gain unfair advantages.

We all know we "play" fantasy baseball to have fun and we all know we have other things going on in our lives besides the activities in FGM.  With that, we also know that in order for things to run properly we have to have a course of play governed by an adopted set of rules. 

It's unfortunate you have missed out on adding Kevin Maitan to your roster, but I think we have been down this road before.  When I sent you a PM questioning your ability to cover the bids you were placing, you assured me you had two deals in the works--one for ARod and the other for Peavy.  Your bid met the 72 hour requirement, yet you never posted either of the trades you said were going give you the necessary cap space. 

Usually, when we are involved in a free agent bid, we all check the box to be notified if a new bid was being made on the player we want.  You're a veteran GM, so I'm sure you're aware of this practice.  With that, we all have phones to check in on our teams, our bids, our PMs and other related matters.  This is usually more so when we are attempting to add a player we really want--which is what I would say characterizes your bidding practices in relation to Kevin Maitan.

Whether it's for a much coveted free agent or a bench player, we are all accountable to the rules which govern our league.  We went through a similar discussion last year in relation to a disallowed trade involving your team.  Rick and I realize there are times when members become upset with us for enforcing the rules, but as commissioners, we would not be fulfilling our responsibilities if we disregarded the rules for certain members, like you, and not others.  It is certainly no "fun" for us to be in a position where we have to step in and enforce a rule such as the one we've applied to the Maitan bidding.  In retrospect, if anything, we are guilty of placing the full responsibility to handle the matter in a timely way on your shoulders.  Rick issued a stern warning that this would happen if you did not take care of your business.  He even listed the rule to make sure you were aware that you were in a precarious situation and you needed to do everything as you promised you would.

Suspending a GMs ability to bid on a player does not happen often, and when it does, someone is usually upset.  We had to do it last year in the Kang bidding for exactly the same reason and now, unfortunately, we have to do it again with Maitan.

Let's not engage in a post war.  The matter is closed.  Let's accept the fact that you've lost out on adding Kevin Maitan and there is nothing you can say, or do, that will change that. 

Title: Re: MI Kevin Maitan Discussion
Post by: Daniel on July 20, 2016, 06:37:35 PM
For the record, my trade for ARod was not completed in time because of an error in my team's profile page. I assume that is my fault too?

Ask kungfuwig, he was going to post when he said he was backing out because my team page said ARod's contract is 2017 when it is actually 2016.
Title: Re: MI Kevin Maitan Discussion
Post by: Daniel on July 20, 2016, 06:41:21 PM
And also, I mentioned that if the deal fell through I would do a long-term deal with the necessary accompanying drops, so it is nto that I could not cover the bid.
Title: Re: MI Kevin Maitan Discussion
Post by: Daniel on July 20, 2016, 06:55:23 PM
Finally, the 'warning' PM was sent when I actually won the bid, which like I mentioned I was away and had no internet access (and no, I had no internet on my phone, since I use T-Mobile that has no signal in lots of places), so I could not see it. If I had known before I left for the weekend I would had sent via PM my specific contract intentions (which were already clear from past messages) before leaving for the weekend in case I won while I was away. 

This is just another example of being a stickler for the rules instead of accepting that life happens. It has happened before and sometimes you guys are lax, sometimes you become all strict and stern. It is pretty random, which makes it unfair. That is why I am asking for solid reasoning behind this decision other than following through on a prior threat, which should never have happened to begin with.

There was no unfair advantage from waiting the extra 24 hours and I do not understand why it's such a big deal (plus I am not even sure why the rule gives only 24 hours, it is a very arbitrary time frame).