Toronto/Vancouver

[Ric_2227]

I don't know if It's too late to apologize for the way I reacted yesterday. I should have calm down before posting a reply.

I know now that the league put a big emphasis on prospects and It seems that the older players and the draft picks do not have the same value.

I would like to continue as the GM of Toronto if I can, keeping in mind that in the future I will have to protect what's left of my actual and future prospects. I realize that I have a lot to learn and I will have to change my mind set.

With regard to the trade, if the veto is not confirmed, I still want to go ahead with it because it was done in good faith and I'm not convince that in the and I will be the looser since I will end up with for NHL goaltenders. Thanks

Ric

[Rob]

I don't know if It's too late to apologize for the way I reacted yesterday. I should have calm down before posting a reply.

I know now that the league put a big emphasis on prospects and It seems that the older players and the draft picks do not have the same value.

I would like to continue as the GM of Toronto if I can, keeping in mind that in the future I will have to protect what's left of my actual and future prospects. I realize that I have a lot to learn and I will have to change my mind set.

With regard to the trade, if the veto is not confirmed, I still want to go ahead with it because it was done in good faith and I'm not convince that in the and I will be the looser since I will end up with for NHL goaltenders. Thanks

Ric

Absolutely you're still welcome here.  And please know that any judgement or criticism of your trades has way more to do with DNHL quirkiness than it has to do with actual hockey knowledge. 

I was going to leave this for the weekend in hopes that tempers calmed - so I am very happy to read this response. 

And, to be fair, I'm a little protective of that franchise.  I counted Ryan (norrya) as a friend around here and he built what you have now and it was shaping up to be a real powerhouse.  And I'm seeing the culmination of these 4 trades as a setback to that.  Of course, if I knew everything, my team would be better!  So not trying to say that, but, in any case, thanks for posting.  We'll see how the rest of the votes fall on this and go from there. 

[SlackJack]

I don't know if It's too late to apologize for the way I reacted yesterday. I should have calm down before posting a reply.

I know now that the league put a big emphasis on prospects and It seems that the older players and the draft picks do not have the same value.

I would like to continue as the GM of Toronto if I can, keeping in mind that in the future I will have to protect what's left of my actual and future prospects. I realize that I have a lot to learn and I will have to change my mind set.

With regard to the trade, if the veto is not confirmed, I still want to go ahead with it because it was done in good faith and I'm not convince that in the and I will be the looser since I will end up with for NHL goaltenders. Thanks

Ric

Thankyou for posting this! To me, threatening to quit just confirmed that you really didn't care. I am happy to be wrong, and hope you dig in for the long term. 


 

[dedreger]

 

I had considered approving this trade, and in a vacuum I might have, but after a lot of thought about it I've decided to veto.  This is not a good trade for the Leafs.  In my opinion, it essentially it boils down to trading away young high upside pieces (Keller, Galchneyuk, Mantha) that have already shown a capacity to produce in the NHL/DNHL (for two of them eligible for prospect extensions) for an older goalie coming off an injury and his real life backup (so, essentially 1 goalie).  On its own terms I could squint and see how it *might* work out in the short term, but I'm sure this trade would be regretted before long.  Adding to that the context of the net effect of the prior 3 trades between these teams and the Leafs GM being new to the league leads me to a veto.  I respect and understand "approve" votes, but that's not where I'm at -- call it paternalistic if you want.

Another thing: I'm confident that the TC members, however they vote, are shooting straight in their votes and comments and consider trades in the spirit of what they think is best for the health of the league.  I don't think anyone is out to pick on anyone or to thwart anyone.  It'd be really disappointing if anyone walks away from the league merely because of how the voting went on a trade.

[snugerud]

Sorry I am really late to the party here.  I kinda was recusing myself from this deal because in full disclosure I had offered him a goalie deal of
G Craig Anderson, $6.1m (2019-2020)  for C Alex Galchenyuk, $3.2m (2019-2020)  (with the plan of negotiating down to covering some of andersons contract.) and I didnt want any appearance of bias when voting.

Personally I would never give up that much youth. (basically 5 - 1st round picks with 3 already quite successful at the NHL level) for a goalie that was losing starts and had been benched in the playoffs and now having hip surgery.  There is a lot of potential there for this to be a disaster by year end or 2 seasons.  I think Schneider is on a short leash this season.  But I also get your urgency to finding a goalie #2 and this could turn out fine if Schneider rebounds this year. 

All this said.... This is going to be a little unorthodox on my part.

I am leaving my vote in your hands.  If after mulling this over the the better part of a week and understanding more about the league.  If you still think this is a deal that is the right direction and within the vision you have for your team  I will approve.  If you want a mulligan, say veto. 

This is also with the idea that you are committed and here for the long haul.  I respect a guy that lives and dies by his decisions. 

[Ric_2227]

Sorry I am really late to the party here.  I kinda was recusing myself from this deal because in full disclosure I had offered him a goalie deal of
G Craig Anderson, $6.1m (2019-2020)  for C Alex Galchenyuk, $3.2m (2019-2020)  (with the plan of negotiating down to covering some of andersons contract.) and I didnt want any appearance of bias when voting.

Personally I would never give up that much youth. (basically 5 - 1st round picks with 3 already quite successful at the NHL level) for a goalie that was losing starts and had been benched in the playoffs and now having hip surgery.  There is a lot of potential there for this to be a disaster by year end or 2 seasons.  I think Schneider is on a short leash this season.  But I also get your urgency to finding a goalie #2 and this could turn out fine if Schneider rebounds this year. 

All this said.... This is going to be a little unorthodox on my part.

I am leaving my vote in your hands.  If after mulling this over the the better part of a week and understanding more about the league.  If you still think this is a deal that is the right direction and within the vision you have for your team  I will approve.  If you want a mulligan, say veto. 

This is also with the idea that you are committed and here for the long haul.  I respect a guy that lives and dies by his decisions.

I have informed GM of Vancouver that as proposed by snugerud. I have decided to 'say veto' because of the value this league puts on prospects.

Ric

[Rob]

My vote is also a veto vote and that will kill the deal as it stands.  The teams are welcome to re-work this.