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Fantasy Leagues => NHL Leagues => Franchise NHL => Topic started by: PsychoticPondGoons on September 13, 2016, 12:00:42 PM
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https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-expansion-draft-rules/c-281010592
So in 2017-18, there's going to be a new team joining Franchise NHL.
Las Vegas will be joining the PACIFIC DIVISION!
Get ready because there's going to be EXPANSION TEAM rules that impact owner's assets in FNHL!
A new owner will be sought in time for the EXPANSION DRAFT.
Read up gents!
Figure out who you're keeping and who's going to be exposed in the Expansion draft.
https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-expansion-draft-rules/c-281010592
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Not sure the new team should have the opportunity to draft 3 active goalies. Its a scarce commodity in this league.
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Not sure the new team should have the opportunity to draft 3 active goalies. Its a scarce commodity in this league.
Point taken. Will discuss with PPG. Thx for the feedback.
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Ok question, why should the new team max out his roster? I would think they might want a shot at FA. I know LV will be cherry picking, but i think a roster of 25 is more reasonable.
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Not sure whey we are expanding when we don't even have a full league now. :o
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Not sure whey we are expanding when we don't even have a full league now. :o
Really?
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Really?
Yup. Really. If anything we should contract. Its hard enough finding owners. I'm not a fan of owners having multiple teams either. Having five open teams and a few teams with dual ownership is not good. Just my opinion.
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Yup. Really. If anything we should contract. Its hard enough finding owners. I'm not a fan of owners having multiple teams either. Having five open teams and a few teams with dual ownership is not good. Just my opinion.
You can beef. I got no problem with people having beefs.
Simple answer. We are a deep dynasty league with 30 teams following the NHL's lead and will expand to 31 teams.
It's healthy to throw a wrench into the mix with the expansion draft though I have to say your Flyers might be able to easily protect all its players given how few you have.
As for open teams, normal in any league. Call it "Opportunity" man!
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Yup. Really. If anything we should contract.
Personally I'm against contraction.
I would not stay in a league that's less than 30 teams.
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You can beef. I got no problem with people having beefs.
Simple answer. We are a deep dynasty league with 30 teams following the NHL's lead and will expand to 31 teams.
It's healthy to throw a wrench into the mix with the expansion draft though I have to say your Flyers might be able to easily protect all its players given how few you have.
As for open teams, normal in any league. Call it "Opportunity" man!
I'd have no problem with 31 teams if we had 31 owners. I just don't want to have a 31 team league with 17 owners.
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I'd have no problem with 31 teams if we had 31 owners. I just don't want to have a 31 team league with 17 owners.
Get your buddies to buy a franchise. Easy.
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Ok question, why should the new team max out his roster? I would think they might want a shot at FA. I know LV will be cherry picking, but i think a roster of 25 is more reasonable.
talking a year or 2 down the road.
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Ok question, why should the new team max out his roster? I would think they might want a shot at FA. I know LV will be cherry picking, but i think a roster of 25 is more reasonable.
Good point! Worth more discussion. Looking for opinions.
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Not sure the new team should have the opportunity to draft 3 active goalies. Its a scarce commodity in this league.
To be clear, Vegas will only be allowed to draft 2 goalies in the Expansion Draft next August 2017.
We still have some teams with no Starting Goalie and for LV to cherry pick 3 would throw things out of whack.
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At last count 6 potential owners have been identified.
I will confirm that we do not hold Franchises for anyone, not even longtime FNHL owners in great standing.
The individual who pays the fee in full will take control and ownership of the Las Vegas franchise.
That can happen anytime.
Once that happens, we will allow Vegas to operate but cannot bid on Free Agents.
Can they acquire players - not active ones, yes to acquiring MiLR players, more TBC.
Can they acquire 2017 Draft Picks - Yes.
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At last count 6 potential owners have been identified.
I will confirm that we do not hold Franchises for anyone, not even longtime FNHL owners in great standing.
The individual who pays the fee in full will take control and ownership of the Las Vegas franchise.
That can happen anytime.
Once that happens, we will allow Vegas to operate but cannot bid on Free Agents.
Can they acquire players - not active ones, yes to acquiring MiLR players, more TBC.
Can they acquire 2017 Draft Picks - Yes.
I see you updated the notes on the Vegas team pg. :iatp:
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I see you updated the notes on the Vegas team pg. :iatp:
All done up on the Las Vegas [ soon to be named franchise ] team page here
http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=277570.0 :toast:
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I'd have no problem with 31 teams if we had 31 owners. I just don't want to have a 31 team league with 17 owners.
Even if it had 31 GMS? Does ownership matter or GM participation?
I plan to possibly buy a 2nd franchise but have an independent GM run my investment. To spice up my own experience because there are franchises still open in FNHL.
Honestly I've not been a part of any 30+ team dynasty franchises that had 30+ active with a pulse owners/GMs. Good leagues supply about 20 and the rest are flakes in my experiences.
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A few questions about Vegas
#1 The actual NHL is requiring 3 Goalies & 30 players total be taken, 1 from each team if I'm not mistaken, why the difference for FNHL roster requirements?
#1A wouldn't drafting only 25 players leave 5 teams from having a player taken at all, and is that fair to every franchise?
#2 With 30 minor league spots to fill and only 4 draft picks per year would the commish consider allowing Vegas to draft FA minor league players to the Golden Knights during the 16-17 reg season?
#3 What is the predetermined draft position for Vegas in FNHL since no lottery is held in our league?
#4 Taking over Vegas operations immediately for the new ownership means what when the team has no players and even its draft slot is undetermined?
#5 Can Vegas trade it's picks immediately for active NHL players should they find a trade partner?
Thanks Gents
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A few questions about Vegas
#1 The actual NHL is requiring 3 Goalies & 30 players total be taken, 1 from each team if I'm not mistaken, why the difference for FNHL roster requirements?
No team has 3 starters and allowing 1 expansion team to potentially gain access to 3 starters would be an unfair competitive advantage while hurting a franchise that drafted & developed the goalie or traded a great deal of team assets to add that goalie.
#1A wouldn't drafting only 25 players leave 5 teams from having a player taken at all, and is that fair to every franchise?
The Expansion Draft is to get the new franchise up and running. Yes, some teams will not lose a player but some teams might not have much talent exposed either for one reason or another.
Remember Vegas cannot Buyout any of the players they add from the Expansion Draft during the 2017-18 season so filling all 30 active roster spots would only handcuff Vegas and limit opportunities to make moves.
#2 With 30 minor league spots to fill and only 4 draft picks per year would the commish consider allowing Vegas to draft FA minor league players to the Golden Knights during the 16-17 reg season?
No. Some teams don't have any MiLR players.
:TBL: comes to mind.
:PHI-NHL: has done it before.
:ANA: has been there too.
#3 What is the predetermined draft position for Vegas in FNHL since no lottery is held in our league?
We haven't confirmed but the discussion has been Pick #6 each round as the NHL has done.
It's TBC by December or shortly after a new owner purchases the franchise. :judge:
#4 Taking over Vegas operations immediately for the new ownership means what when the team has no players and even its draft slot is undetermined?
The new Vegas Golden Knights ownership group can plan for future transactions, potential trades and the like with other franchise currently operating in FNHL. We try not to tell owners how to run their team in FNHL :toast:
#5 Can Vegas trade it's picks immediately for active NHL players should they find a trade partner?
Thanks Gents
The new owner of Vegas can PM us prior to agreeing to a trade. Of course, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. My immediate thinking is why not since 2017 Draft picks are unlocked for all 30 current FNHL teams. But again, PM me & PR to confirm. :judge:
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What happens with pending free agents.
In the NHL pending FA's are ineligible for the Expansion.
How are we handling that in FNHL?
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What happens with pending free agents.
In the NHL pending FA's are ineligible for the Expansion.
How are we handling that in FNHL?
Great Question JD.
Pending FAs would not be part of the draft.
Vegas will get a chance at the pending FAs like everyone else.
So I envision it going like this...
* Transaction freeze, no more extensions
* Any player with expiring contract is exempt from Expansion Draft
* Expansion Draft takes place
* Then contracts roll over
* Rosters get prep'd for FA period + 2017-18 season
* Then FA starts
Thats the plan.
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Great Question JD.
Pending FAs would not be part of the draft.
Vegas will get a chance at the pending FAs like everyone else.
So I envision it going like this...
* Transaction freeze, no more extensions
* Any player with expiring contract is exempt from Expansion Draft
* Expansion Draft takes place
* Then contracts roll over
* Rosters get prep'd for FA period + 2017-18 season
* Then FA starts
Thats the plan.
Players with less than 2 yrs are exempt.
Teams can protect up to 10 skaters and a Goalie
And * Any player with expiring contract is exempt from Expansion Draft
:TBL: has Brendan Gallager on an expiring deal, yet we can sign him in the offseason. What's stopping us from leaving him unprotected and exempt and then resigning him after the draft? Or does the resigning period happen before the draft takes place?
Pickings may be slimmer than originally thought. May take some time for Vegas to become competitive. We will see.
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Looks like he is saying that all extensions have to be done before the draft. Anyone not extended, will be a FA and not eligible to be drafted.
Vegas is getting 2 G's ...... I've been here for years and on my 2 teams together have 2 combined NHL goalies and both of them suck! That is a huge advantage that none of us will ever get.
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My concern about this exspansion is loseing of players from one team example blues they could loose 5 players and say for example sharks loose 1 player. Wont that hurt blues.
2nd questions my team for example most of my team has there contracts up after this yr. Im not going to resign a bunch of them. In that case wont that limit who he can take? Isnt that a disavantage for las vegas seeing that they draft players with exspiring contracts
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My concern about this exspansion is loseing of players from one team example blues they could loose 5 players and say for example sharks loose 1 player. Wont that hurt blues.
2nd questions my team for example most of my team has there contracts up after this yr. Im not going to resign a bunch of them. In that case wont that limit who he can take? Isnt that a disavantage for las vegas seeing that they draft players with exspiring contracts
Only 1 player can be selected per club Brian. No danger in losing more than 1 guy from any team.
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Looks like he is saying that all extensions have to be done before the draft. Anyone not extended, will be a FA and not eligible to be drafted.
Vegas is getting 2 G's ...... I've been here for years and on my 2 teams together have 2 combined NHL goalies and both of them suck! That is a huge advantage that none of us will ever get.
:iatp: Thats correct. All extensions need to be completed before the Expansion Draft. That way everyone knows where each team stands in terms of eliguble players.
Once players hit FA everyone including Vegas has a chance to sign them.
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Only 1 player can be selected per club Brian. No danger in losing more than 1 guy from any team.
:iatp: Correct, each team can ONLY lose MAX. 1 player in the Expansion Draft. A handful of team may not lose any.
Since Vegas cannot draft players with expiring contracts there wont be the issue you raised Indiansnation.
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If someone is interested in buying St.Louis for the fee of Vegas....I would be interested in taking them over for a challenge.
The New St.Louis GM would take over once the play-offs have completed.
Ripper
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Is Vegas going to be a Central team or a Pacific team?
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Almost certain theyve announced Vegas as a Pacific Div team. And that good for any new owner. Lots of opportunity to push other Pacific teams around if you have the fire power in your lineup.
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Almost certain theyve announced Vegas as a Pacific Div team. And that good for any new owner. Lots of opportunity to push other Pacific teams around if you have the fire power in your lineup.
Uhmmmmm, the 2time league champ happens to live in the Pacific Division! :LAK::taco:
:EDM: Oilers are ramping up.
:VAN: Canucks are retooling quickly.
:PHO: Dawgs are chomping at the bit and climbing the standings.
:ANA: Ducks still have a strong roster of core players intact just need a new owner.
Vegas will be picking up some great players in the Expansion Draft!
JD that leaves just your :CLG: Flames as the cough cough weak link. HAHA
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Is Vegas going to be a Central team or a Pacific team?
The Vegas Golden Knights are a Pacific Division Franchise. The NHL will expand once more in the near future to the Central Division. We will all go thru this process once more.
For now the new girl in the school is wearing a sundress with 36 DD's and a black thong, and she has all the boys attention. She is coming to flirt and break hearts, and her name is Vegas.
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Uhmmmmm, the 2time league champ happens to live in the Pacific Division! :LAK::taco:
:EDM: Oilers are ramping up.
:VAN: Canucks are retooling quickly.
:PHO: Dawgs are chomping at the bit and climbing the standings.
:ANA: Ducks still have a strong roster of core players intact just need a new owner.
Vegas will be picking up some great players in the Expansion Draft!
JD that leaves just your :CLG: Flames as the cough cough weak link. HAHA
This year is the year to make noise in Pacific. Some of the most active teams are there. Vegas has a lot of work to do and will start with no minors and the same cap as everyone else. They will be able to add players, and Goalies...... but the players they're going to add are generally overpriced players that teams didn't want to protect.
Vegas Knights sounds better BTW, I guess that team in London didn't allow them to use that name and that same team has a much better logo. :rofl:
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This year is the year to make noise in Pacific. Some of the most active teams are there. Vegas has a lot of work to do and will start with no minors and the same cap as everyone else. They will be able to add players, and Goalies...... but the players they're going to add are generally overpriced players that teams didn't want to protect.
Vegas Knights sounds better BTW, I guess that team in London didn't allow them to use that name and that same team has a much better logo. :rofl:
I love the Vegas logo! I think it's the best in sports right now. That's just my opinion.
Also under the right leadership, I think the Golden Knights will be able to compete almost immediately in the Pacific.
Both the Metropolitan and Pacific Divisions are primed to be challenged for, it's the Central and Atlantic divisions that are near impossible to get ahead in. IMO
The expansion draft will bring more parity to the league, guaranteed. Next year will be the most competitive since I joined the league, just wait and see. :toast:
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Golden Knights is going to be a very short-term name. Army is already complaining about it.
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I heard someone is calling a Press Conference for 15H00 in Vegas?
True or rumour?
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I heard someone is calling a Press Conference for 15H00 in Vegas?
True or rumour?
Check that.
PRESS CONFERENCE MOVED TO 18h00 TODAY!
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Spoke to PR about this gents.
Vegas is allowed to acquire players through trade but cannot bid on Free Agents.
Clear distinction.
However Vegas needs to remember they need to be ready for the Expansion Draft next August 2017.
:iatp: Confirmed that Vegas can acquire players through trade but cannot bid on Free Agents. :judge:
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:iatp: Confirmed that Vegas can acquire players through trade but cannot bid on Free Agents. :judge:
:iatp: ... no FAs during the 2016-17 season ... can bid on FAs during the 2017 FA season.
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:iatp: ... no FAs during the 2016-17 season ... can bid on FAs during the 2017 FA season.
Vegas management is all over this like stank on Fisher. :afro:
When we are eligible to bid on FAs, we will do our due diligence similar to that team in Tampa. Until then you would be remarkably surprised at the research our scouts have already done.
The entire expansion draft may be over in 24 hours. :beer:
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:LV: (http://www.profsl.com/smf/index.php?topic=277570.0)
There is a clickable link for ya. All you need is them to add it to the tail of the Pacific
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Ok question, why should the new team max out his roster? I would think they might want a shot at FA. I know LV will be cherry picking, but i think a roster of 25 is more reasonable.
[/quote] Was thinking the same this but the Expansion draft rule seems to state Vegas must draft 1 player from each of the 30 team giving them 32 player if they keep the 2 they traded for last Fall.
They get time to make trades after the draft which makes sense for them but 2 weeks to deal and clear roster spots for Free Agency will be test Daddy's negotiation skills.
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Was thinking the same but the Expansion draft rules seem to state Vegas must draft 1 player from each of the 30 teams giving them 32 players if they keep the 2 they traded for last Fall.
They get time to make trades after the draft which makes sense for them but 2 weeks to deal and clear roster spots for Free Agency will be a test Daddy's negotiation skills.
Who are we kidding, Daddy and Vegas will have a blast building a team from scratch.
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Who are we kidding, Daddy and Vegas will have a blast building a team from scratch.
OH BABY! Daddy will have himself a grand ol time
YES, Vegas needs to draft from each team. That's why he gets 2 wks before FA opens to wheel and deal.
It good for the league and other teams can benefit if Vegas and teams find the right deal to move players, picks, etc. :thumbsup::win:
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Daddy's definitely the type who's ready and up for the challenge. He has a plan with TB and I expect as much with Vegas. :thumbsup::thumbsup: