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Title: scoring-confused
Post by: fperric on April 07, 2015, 06:08:32 PM
OK, I read over the new scoring system before posting this, but I am a little confused.  I knew we were changing the scoring system to even out batters vs pitchers, but did we also change from a "total points per game" league to a "scoring category/roto style" league?? 

Thanks,
  Frank-Brewers
Title: Re: scoring-confused
Post by: Jss0062 on April 07, 2015, 06:16:21 PM
No it's a head to head league as it's always been.  The matchups are weekly starting Mondays and running thru Sunday.  Naturally the first game of the season is rolled into the first full week.

The scoring is designed to reflect what the individual does on his own merits. Removing runs, RBIs, wins, losses, etc largely team dependent stats was the means to doing so.
Title: Re: scoring-confused
Post by: fperric on April 07, 2015, 11:35:49 PM
thanks for the quick response as always, but i'm sorry, I don't think I worded my question correctly.  I guess my main question is: at the end of the week, am I looking at total points to figure a win or loss,  like last year? or should I be totaling up categories that I win in a particular week for my W or L, like in a Yahoo league. 

thanks,
  Frank-Brewers
Title: Re: scoring-confused
Post by: haseloff on April 08, 2015, 06:57:23 AM
Total points per week wins.
Title: Re: scoring-confused
Post by: Jss0062 on April 08, 2015, 09:50:09 AM
Total points per week wins.

Correct
Title: Re: scoring-confused
Post by: chrisetc21 on April 12, 2015, 09:09:52 PM
The variance in scoring from day to day is pretty extreme.
Title: Re: scoring-confused
Post by: Jss0062 on April 13, 2015, 12:37:56 PM
The variance in scoring from day to day is pretty extreme.

Yes it can be, most of that is moving away from the 1 point per system.
Title: Re: scoring-confused
Post by: Maydab23 on April 22, 2015, 07:44:50 PM
I think the scoring for pitchers could use some work. I know we can't change anything until at least 2016 at the earliest but the negative points in particular dont make sense for pitchers.

Example from a couple of days ago....

Shoemaker gives up 5ER on 7 hits, 3Bb, 2K in 3 innings
De la Rosa gives up 7ER on 9 hits, 1BB, 3K in 2 innings

Looking at the lines they seem close with De La Rosa a little worse giving up 2 more earned runs in one fewer inning.

Fantrax scoring?
Shoemaker  (-25.6)
De La Rosa (-5.6)

The difference was Shoemaker gave up 2 HRs while De La Rosa didnt give up a HR

The way the scoring is now a pitcher gets roughly the same negative score for giving up a solo HR as they do for giving up 4 runs on 5 consecutive doubles.

There should be less focus on HRs in the pitcher scoring, more on earned runs (which there is none)

The league prides itself on accuracy and realism but shoemaker didn't put his team in a much worse position to win than De La Rosa

Title: Re: scoring-confused
Post by: haseloff on April 23, 2015, 12:39:49 PM
Man this is a tough one because:
1) I absolutely agree, but
2) I can't imagine a better scoring system where we won't be comparing two pitching performances in the future and asking why the delta between the two scoring outcomes.

I know the way it's set up now it measures the pitcher's performance and takes out the defense behind them, assumes all runners are stranded (except HR) and takes all the win/loss 'game of chance' stuff out of it. 

Tough one.  I'd be interested to hear alternatives but I understand the effort that went into the current scoring setup.



I think the scoring for pitchers could use some work. I know we can't change anything until at least 2016 at the earliest but the negative points in particular dont make sense for pitchers.

Example from a couple of days ago....

Shoemaker gives up 5ER on 7 hits, 3Bb, 2K in 3 innings
De la Rosa gives up 7ER on 9 hits, 1BB, 3K in 2 innings

Looking at the lines they seem close with De La Rosa a little worse giving up 2 more earned runs in one fewer inning.

Fantrax scoring?
Shoemaker  (-25.6)
De La Rosa (-5.6)

The difference was Shoemaker gave up 2 HRs while De La Rosa didnt give up a HR

The way the scoring is now a pitcher gets roughly the same negative score for giving up a solo HR as they do for giving up 4 runs on 5 consecutive doubles.

There should be less focus on HRs in the pitcher scoring, more on earned runs (which there is none)

The league prides itself on accuracy and realism but shoemaker didn't put his team in a much worse position to win than De La Rosa
Title: Re: scoring-confused
Post by: Fitzy1962 on July 30, 2015, 10:39:35 PM
I think the scoring for pitchers could use some work. I know we can't change anything until at least 2016 at the earliest but the negative points in particular dont make sense for pitchers.

Example from a couple of days ago....

Shoemaker gives up 5ER on 7 hits, 3Bb, 2K in 3 innings
De la Rosa gives up 7ER on 9 hits, 1BB, 3K in 2 innings

Looking at the lines they seem close with De La Rosa a little worse giving up 2 more earned runs in one fewer inning.

Fantrax scoring?
Shoemaker  (-25.6)
De La Rosa (-5.6)

The difference was Shoemaker gave up 2 HRs while De La Rosa didnt give up a HR

The way the scoring is now a pitcher gets roughly the same negative score for giving up a solo HR as they do for giving up 4 runs on 5 consecutive doubles.

There should be less focus on HRs in the pitcher scoring, more on earned runs (which there is none)

The league prides itself on accuracy and realism but shoemaker didn't put his team in a much worse position to win than De La Rosa

I agree completely.
Title: Re: scoring-confused
Post by: Jss0062 on August 03, 2015, 01:27:54 PM
Home runs and walks are more than anything else the pitchers fault.  The pitching points system was taken directly from Fangraphs with a small tweak placing a little more emphasis on a save over a hold.  No scoring system will be perfect when selecting a sample size that small to compare it on.  Overall the system is working well thus far.
Title: Re: scoring-confused
Post by: fperric on August 03, 2015, 04:13:15 PM
I agree.  I'm not complaining, but if I were to tweak anything, that would be one thing I would tweak.  Penalizing for a HR and an earned run is redundant.  It would be like rewarding a guy a for a base hit and also making batting avg a counting stat.  Also, I LOVE scoring for defense, but the negative 16pts for an error seems extreme.  Has had a huge impact.

Thanks,
  Frank-Brewers